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hey good evening to everyone

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um everyone tuning in live catching us

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pre-recorded on a repeat on YouTube you

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guys know the drill we are the invisible

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night school I'm your host Leah Prime so

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I'll be inviting my co-hosts on this

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evening I have Nick here and then I also

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have Lewis unfortunately we are missing

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Campbell tonight he's off on family Duty

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so you've got uh what three legs of the

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four-legged stool of the invisible night

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school here to bring you what the

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hottest takes in ufology Twitter for

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um yes uh hello hello to Ivy Bells good

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to see you I haven't seen your name

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before super happy you're joining us

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spooky friends Romans quadrupids yes

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it's ways hey everyone

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um nice to see you guys thanks for

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joining us

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um so we initially anticipated doing

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like an open Line Style Show and that's

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totally what we're gonna do but um we

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didn't have the big thing we were going

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to talk about which of course is the

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government report which has not been

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um word on the street is it's coming out

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tomorrow according to some what Twitter

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people in the know I think Greenwald

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made that claim yeah Katie Howland also

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posted about it saying they're calling

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it like UFO Eve with a lot of little

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Christmas emojis

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that's cute yeah our savior and Redeemer

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will arrive tomorrow

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um and so without uh having

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this document to discuss instead we're

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just going to have open floors

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um we've put out some calls for other

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um we'll see if they do and otherwise

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it's basically going to be a

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free-for-all with me Nick and Lewis

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I'm gonna be uh sending some messages

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out too see if we can get some other

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people to join some surprise guests but

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uh yeah in lieu of the report

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um there was a handful of articles that

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came out over the past week did anybody

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catch any of those I read yeah there's

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one Friday from the times yeah

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um which came out what by Julian Barnes

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and that certainly provides a very

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strong response uh among the community I

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thought that was strange I read it um

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really understand what was so divisive

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about it it's all a lot of stuff

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everybody already knows

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um there were some some Anonymous claims

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in there saying

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multiple references to space aliens

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being rolled out and stuff so maybe

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maybe it was just the language

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perspective of being like feeling that

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maybe is a little condescending but

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that always is like why are we why are

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an option to look at right like where

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UFOs and aliens being intrinsically

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an option where even was it a box we're

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and it also goes back to this idea that

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no matter what is discussed in the

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popular press no matter what the

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government actually winds up saying

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um it's gonna be wrong like the

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community is going to respond in a way

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that no matter what is said it's going

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to be wrong uh too many Liberties were

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taken there's too many biases the

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epistemology here is all focacca there's

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scientist astronomer Etc who wasn't in

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virtue of having proceeded through

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higher education and Industry

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is that the one that said like basically

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that many UFOs are probably

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military or foreign yeah uh well we're

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Airborne trash yeah between the two

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there yeah same yeah

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which yeah I I think that's like a sound

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conclusion to come to

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even with what little evidence we do

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perspective I didn't get a chance to

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there was one uh that was being shared

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around by Gary Nolan about Skeptics that

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uh came from a an anti-vaxxer website

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sympathetic to the cause it seemed to

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kind of prognosticate about what they

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report and uh I would say nothing is

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some summarily dismissive as the New

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York Times article was

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what uh what were they basing that on um

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their their kind of conclusions they

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were drawing in that the Daily Mail one

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probably like Scoops from Anonymous

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Twitter accounts okay so I mean yes it's

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about par for the chorus when it comes

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to youthological reporting

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um I'm actually in the background I'm

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trying to find that article but um it

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did seem like I would say it wasn't like

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when I say it wasn't as sort of

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dismissive as the Times article like it

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wasn't saying like oh it's Airborne

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trash Oh it's identifiable whatever it

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was more about like what they expect the

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structure of the port to look like and

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like who would be the end consumers of

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it okay cool now the report itself is

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late right wasn't it supposed to show up

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that's what they said they said uh

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October 31st and you know I heard like

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some speculation that it could be that

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the report's already been turned in but

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redacted version of it available for

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like public perusal or review

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um it could also just be that there has

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who who I feel really bad for in all of

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this besides poor Julian Barnes who was

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reporting in the times and then like

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the unwatched masses of Twitter were

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like Mass doxing him and Reporting him

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for having the audacity to write this

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news article like like let's be real

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there's lots of reasons to be critical

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of the New York Times but I'm not sure

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the top of the Heap but the in addition

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to him the person who I always feel bad

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for and maybe uh gonna Feel the Fire

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here with Leah being an OP is um how do

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you say her name Susan go golf golf

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Susan Blake she must be harassed 24 7

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365 around this stuff I am she must be

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grinding her teeth into little tiny Nubs

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yeah she is like the central like

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villain now right

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everyone everyone's Towing her line yeah

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everyone's mad about her they say it's

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like the sole individual holding hold

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exposure it's in

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a lot of it's kind of predicated I think

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on her master's thesis or her graduate

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thesis which was like about

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misinformation or something and people

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have uh extrapolated from that that she

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is the shadowy force present preventing

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us from knowing what's actually going on

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right wasn't it Elizondo who said he was

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using his uh intelligence Community uh

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training on the UFO Community as well so

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isn't it kind of like two sides of the

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yeah I don't know I guess it I'm sure

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misogyny doesn't factor into this at all

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sure and whoever's validating your uh

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your faith-based beliefs

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well interesting Simon's chiming in the

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Daily Mail is written by Chris sharp

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well-owned paper of record right

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journalistic Integrity top of the eve

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why did you guys think about the um

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sorry and we can come back to the New

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and this um latest government report

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um but uh what did you guys think of the

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latest um Green P A Green Street piece

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haven't seen it yet

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have you Leo yeah so I watched yeah so I

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watched like the last half of it and

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then I watched the first few minutes so

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first like I will say so I used to have

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a big client out in Salt Lake so it's

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really wild watching them drive around

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because like I know all the places

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they're zipping around uh in frugal's

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like that mobile car uh he has a car

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that looks like it should be on like a

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poster on a 13 year old's bedroom wall

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of course it uh you know it's

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Green Street like cuts off of course

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right when it starts getting interesting

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it's more about sort of his meet and

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greet with Frugal like entry into

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Skinwalker Ranch this sort of associated

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rituals and stuff that Frugal has sort

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of overlaid on this experience like

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there's this striking scene where

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they're all going in on frugal's

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helicopter and

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um they say a prayer before entering

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into this land right and of course green

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Street's tying this back to his

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experience Mormonism right because he

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was raised LDS and has subsequently left

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the church

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but um you get the sense that there's

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still like a heavy emphasis sort of on

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this ritualistic like

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good luck style thinking or sort of uh

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like enchantment style thinking which is

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kind of interesting

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in Green Street was

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um I thought by and large relatively

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sympathetic so far or at least like

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wasn't you know being outwardly

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so uh basement office didn't turn into a

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ghost hunting show

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not yet but there's going to be another

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episode soon oh yeah that may change

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yeah the thing I found funny was that

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you know they they keep saying all these

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this stuff about Electronics

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um failing at Skinwalker right like the

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um whatever the equipment batteries uh

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run out all of a sudden classic stuff

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but like they arrived there in a super

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it's because they prayed over the

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but I mean

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you know in the very in that documentary

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um Google said that um or it might have

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been his brother flying though yep his

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brother was the actual pilot yeah one of

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them said that there are dangerous and

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malevolent forces at skinwalker

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but enough about the Mormons what's

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no I like that good one

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um

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I lost my train of thought

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pick it up you were talking about

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um

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yeah the the uh the equipment failure is

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such a it's such a classic ghost hunting

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trope

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um

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and I mean in in ghost lore that's the

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that spirit's manifesting and taking the

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energy from the batteries to try to

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manifest and by manifest that means like

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turn a light a Loosely screwed

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flashlight in or uh make a sound in the

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distance just a disembodied sound

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but yeah I mean that's that's a a pretty

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typical

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in UFO law as well the UFO like

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shuts down the electronics of the car

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and oh right yeah all that um there's

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also that famous um Iranian

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um fighter jet uh incident in 1976 yeah

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yeah that's in Lisa Keane's book yeah

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yeah

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Brian Dunning has a piece on that and um

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he mentions that the um

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the General Dynamic so the company that

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was doing maintenance on those Jets

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because this is pre-revolution Iran so

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the Shah will in power

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um

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and uh this company was doing a

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maintenance work on those planes and um

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they noted that in one of like their

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internal reports or something that at

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that base the planes were not being kept

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very

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like maintenance was just generally poor

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and so like those Electronics might have

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failed in any case you know without any

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UFOs so you have to take that stuff into

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account

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right plus if you factor in like all the

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plasma theories and stuff uh the

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presence of of course plasma or high

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voltage electricity is also going to

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affect Electronics functioning and radio

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functioning and all that we have uh yes

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uh maybe the helicopter had a dashboard

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Saint statue um I'm not sure the Mormons

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are into that stuff that's like more of

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a Catholic affectation but um who knows

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uh we don't discriminate when it comes

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to saving our Eternal Souls I guess and

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Simon Says Mormons from outer space

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great film dude you got the title wrong

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it's called Iron Sky but you're close

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um

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haven't seen it

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dude I can't believe you haven't seen

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it's

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um

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it would be good to study material for

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exploring the secret space program and

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our friend Marina sarin it's about Nazis

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on the moon it is like yeah yeah it came

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out about 10 years ago well you're a

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sequel I think there was like an in a

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yeah

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where Hitler was riding riding on a

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T-Rex in the inner earth

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yes yeah there's a sequel and I think

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there may even be a third one coming out

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the only reason I know of this much

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depth about iron skylor is this band

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libach to the soundtrack and I love Live

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Oak is this like really early like

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industrial art music project

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um and they did all the soundtracks

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um

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and I would say for the unsophisticated

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Mind you'd probably make a whole lot of

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conclusions about live box political

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alignment but um if you do some kind of

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digging into their whole shtick and like

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their political activism and performance

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art and stuff uh you see that they're um

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not in any sense sympathetic to

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far-right uh ideology whatsoever yeah

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they play with the idea with the visuals

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a lot but like they used to do some

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really cool stuff they were so they're

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from uh Ljubljana like leibach is the

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German term for Ljubljana Slovenia

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um and like in the 80s they used to

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basically make up like fake passports to

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get people out of the Balkans and hand

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them out at their shows and stuff during

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the wars

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um they have this kind of long history

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of like highly subversive political

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activism

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um the hinging really heavily on sort of

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a lot of like military Aesthetics but um

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very much aligned I would say with

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borderless worker solidarity like cool

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pretty cool avant-garde stuff but it

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requires a little bit of I would say

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like leg work to get into their music

402
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instead of just being like oh these guys

403
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seem really weird and they're in a good

404
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Nazi movie The soundtrack's pretty good

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too like the Iron Sky soundtrack's

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pretty solid uh I don't have it on vinyl

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but um it is pretty good

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thanks for trying out

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Luis you you had kind of an idea of

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something you wanted to bring tonight

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didn't you well I was gonna talk about

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astrobiology and study but um I prefer

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to leave that's what

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future episode okay

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that was I just want to make sure that

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it's coherent and

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um

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you know because there's still some

419
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you know points that we can discuss

420
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instead of just stuff that interests me

421
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sure I think there's a lot of shows

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yeah I mean I I have the I have the

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benefits yeah

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which is my favorite open up my other

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screen I keep looking over to it because

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there's a lot going on there

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um

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so I did I did suggest talking a little

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bit about benowitz

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um the benowitz case because that's

431
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actually my favorite

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case

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because it's such a maybe it's not the

434
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first but it's one of the first sort of

435
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um UFOs conspiracy stories that really

436
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brings

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the conspiratorial style to the four

438
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like the paranoid anti-government angle

439
00:18:15,409 --> 00:18:12,240
yeah which would like become popular

440
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with the X-Files um but benowitz was

441
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also friends with um William Cooper yeah

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um

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yeah and uh oh the Behold a white horse

444
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yeah hold a pale horse in the radio host

445
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right right who was who yeah who was

446
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killed by the feds

447
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at least deputies

448
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um

449
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server warrant for tax evasion

450
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um and uh yeah he died

451
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I think one of the deputies was also

452
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yeah that's the chart that I made this

453
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I didn't know benowitz knew Bill Cooper

454
00:19:02,750 --> 00:19:00,480
that's interesting yeah they had a

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falling out later on I think Bill Cooper

456
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kind of rejected came to reject the

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alien hypothesis and he just assumed

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00:19:10,669 --> 00:19:08,400
everything was a government conspiracy

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00:19:12,430 --> 00:19:10,679
like that the government was like faking

460
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:12,440
aliens

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00:19:18,409 --> 00:19:15,840
we've seen the uh UFO alien to full

462
00:19:21,049 --> 00:19:18,419
government paranoid conspiracy theorist

463
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:21,059
pipeline oh yeah it's alive every day on

464
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Twitter all too common

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um so yeah it looks like so Louis this

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is one of your world famous flow charts

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extremely detailed right how's everybody

468
00:19:38,990 --> 00:19:36,890
and let me just show the books that um

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sort of I got the information from these

470
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are not exclusively where I got the info

471
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from but the first one is um Mirage Men

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Yeah by uh moth Pilkington

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Greg Bishop

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and um sauces Spooks and Cooks by Adam

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go rightly oh Adam correctly The

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Perennial favorite because he also wrote

477
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that book amski right

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yeah the contactees which I've also read

479
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yeah that's a great book uh it is for

480
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damsky I think is the one he wrote yeah

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cool

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yeah so we have yeah so we have your um

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your float chart here it looks like a

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circuit diagram yeah um

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Network yeah or yeah or a metabolic uh

486
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a metabolic uh pathway chart or whatever

487
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but yeah so we have Paul benowitz here

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right at this front and center all roads

489
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lead to him yeah in one way or other

490
00:20:45,169 --> 00:20:42,480
uh you're getting information from like

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or disinformation from Dodie as the

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story goes but it was also in contact

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with other people like I mentioned um

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Bill Moore

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um and they they probably like were were

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like a sewing Circle

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um you know

498
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a bishop isn't there somewhere I think

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he's in the bottom right where's the

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future Ben all right in the bottom right

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are we fairly confident that everyone

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listening knows the story of Paul

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Bennett Woods well that's Adam go Riley

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sorry maybe Bishop's not in this one yet

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I'll put him in

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um so I don't know if everyone knows the

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story like it's so yeah let's do a

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rundown yeah so people just tuning in

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Paul benowitz was a um engineer

510
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he trains as a physicist but I think he

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dropped out of University or college to

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run his business

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he was supplying

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um Electronics components uh to the

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nearby to the military and he lived

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nearby Kirtland Air Force Base in

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Albuquerque

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and um he was just like a mile away from

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the base so he could like get a really

520
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great view of it and um

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you know of a successful kind of

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patriotic guy he had a has a he had a

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family

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um

525
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and what's the time frame we're talking

526
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about are we talking about 80s 90s here

527
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late 70s I think is when this started

528
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and then into the 80s yeah

529
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um

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and uh Dodie who was uh a Foci Air Force

531
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office of special investigations he was

532
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working at the base of fosey's task is

533
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basically to

534
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um act as I guess Counter Intelligence

535
00:22:26,529 --> 00:22:22,919
for the Air Force to weed out spies and

536
00:22:28,850 --> 00:22:26,539
also to investigate criminal activity

537
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Air Force bases so like if anyone's

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doing anything

539
00:22:33,409 --> 00:22:31,679
they're like Internal Affairs for the

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Air Force yes and he's like enlisted

541
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right like it's not like he's some

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high-ranking officer or anything

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no no

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um yeah he's an enlisted guy right right

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00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:46,260
so but the story goes that um Dodie was

546
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uh feeding benowitz um a story

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because let me just back up a little bit

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benewitz um was noticing

549
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um these lights kind of over the

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Airfield that he could see at night from

551
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but he was also um tapping into like the

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00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,299
communications on the bass because he

553
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,760
was very good with electronics and he

554
00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:13,919
told the commanders on the base that

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like he could do this stuff he was

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basically just telling them like look I

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can crack these communications

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I'm just letting you know right and they

559
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,140
they

560
00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:28,080
wanted to sort of clamp down on that and

561
00:23:36,049 --> 00:23:31,380
um Dodie was kind of used to

562
00:23:37,549 --> 00:23:36,059
feed benowitz's story to make him

563
00:23:39,770 --> 00:23:37,559
um so leave him on the wrong path

564
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,780
basically so he was fed like a story

565
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:41,760
about aliens

566
00:23:46,909 --> 00:23:44,700
um and so that benowitz would kind of

567
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:46,919
you know be discredited if he ever

568
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:49,679
talked about this stuff openly

569
00:23:55,250 --> 00:23:52,320
now was benefit to UFO guy before all

570
00:23:56,930 --> 00:23:55,260
this uh introduction to the extent that

571
00:23:59,149 --> 00:23:56,940
he's he was seeing these lights that he

572
00:24:00,409 --> 00:23:59,159
couldn't explain okay

573
00:24:03,169 --> 00:24:00,419
um but I don't think that he was really

574
00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:03,179
into UFOs as such before that

575
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:04,620
and now

576
00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:07,260
um was Dodie like officially do we know

577
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,240
that Dodie was officially assigned to do

578
00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:11,520
this or or could Dodie have been uh

579
00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:14,220
working on his like own free will yeah I

580
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:16,440
mean he could have been he claims that

581
00:24:19,370 --> 00:24:17,520
um

582
00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:19,380
that was his job

583
00:24:24,049 --> 00:24:22,440
um to feed the story to benowitz but

584
00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:24,059
I mean you have to take everything that

585
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,100
Dodie says with a grain of salt right

586
00:24:30,909 --> 00:24:28,320
more like a truckload of salt but yeah

587
00:24:34,010 --> 00:24:30,919
absolutely he makes some strange claims

588
00:24:38,029 --> 00:24:34,020
you're still going at it and right yeah

589
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,039
he is people still believe me

590
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,799
um yeah go ahead yeah I was gonna say I

591
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:42,960
think the thing with Dodie he it reminds

592
00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:46,799
me a lot of Lazar in the sense where

593
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:50,100
it's not necessarily that people believe

594
00:24:55,549 --> 00:24:53,220
him as much as he's become so woven into

595
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,559
the community in like mythology that

596
00:24:59,149 --> 00:24:57,120
people want to hear what he has to say

597
00:25:01,250 --> 00:24:59,159
it's sort of like Paris Hilton being

598
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,260
famous for being famous there's like

599
00:25:06,169 --> 00:25:03,120
this weird recursive loop around people

600
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:06,179
like Dodie or Lazar were just by virtue

601
00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:07,919
of having gotten so much attention they

602
00:25:11,149 --> 00:25:09,299
have kind of like feel like they have

603
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,159
almost an outside significance even

604
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:13,440
though I think categorically most people

605
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:16,260
know that they're full of I saw so

606
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:18,000
many people on Twitter when he kind of

607
00:25:22,130 --> 00:25:20,580
re-emerged there saying things like

608
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,140
along the lines of like oh it's such an

609
00:25:29,769 --> 00:25:24,480
honor to meet you I thought that was

610
00:25:34,490 --> 00:25:33,169
right and that's like you know I I can

611
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:34,500
just seem to remember that Twitter space

612
00:25:39,649 --> 00:25:36,120
over the summer because he was talking

613
00:25:41,870 --> 00:25:39,659
about the cash Landrum incident and was

614
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:41,880
talking about how oh cash Landrum the

615
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:44,640
sighting was uh an ET spacecraft that

616
00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:48,240
got out of control uh in Texas he said

617
00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:50,460
that's cute oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

618
00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:52,020
he said he said it was an alien

619
00:25:54,769 --> 00:25:52,980
spacecraft

620
00:25:57,769 --> 00:25:54,779
he was feeding

621
00:26:01,250 --> 00:25:57,779
um through Bill Moore to apro during the

622
00:26:03,289 --> 00:26:01,260
time that it was a U.S uh based

623
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,299
technology and he even knew like the

624
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,520
tail number of it or the serial number

625
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:07,919
back in the Twitter space it was it was

626
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,200
an ET craft that was being brought from

627
00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:12,960
and he and he knew the he knew the um

628
00:26:17,570 --> 00:26:14,760
basis but he was like it was being

629
00:26:21,409 --> 00:26:17,580
brought from this space to this space

630
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:21,419
um and I if I recall correctly uh in the

631
00:26:24,769 --> 00:26:23,039
space he said that it was basically just

632
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,779
throwing off tons of radiation because

633
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:26,400
the guys who were supposed to Pilot it

634
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,279
had lost control of it sure and by the

635
00:26:35,210 --> 00:26:31,919
way uh Bob Lazar actually claimed in an

636
00:26:38,570 --> 00:26:35,220
early interview like in the 19 early 90s

637
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:38,580
um that he thinks that the um cash

638
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:40,500
Landrum UFO was actually a government

639
00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:44,220
engineered like a secret craft yeah that

640
00:26:48,769 --> 00:26:45,720
was using the same gravitational

641
00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:48,779
principles as the sport model

642
00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:51,240
why did it have the big like uh jet

643
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:53,640
engine on the back of it

644
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,400
let's do it if it's using anti-gravity

645
00:27:00,590 --> 00:26:58,799
yeah I don't know exactly it's the sport

646
00:27:02,649 --> 00:27:00,600
model but they slapped like a nitrous

647
00:27:04,810 --> 00:27:02,659
tank on it like you do as well

648
00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:04,820
faster

649
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:08,940
Element 115 is his claim

650
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:13,679
right yeah naturally of course

651
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,559
um yeah so so let's talk it's like one

652
00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:18,000
of the interesting things with benowitz

653
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:20,220
and with Dodie I think so I haven't read

654
00:27:24,529 --> 00:27:22,620
Mirage man but I watched the the

655
00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:24,539
documentary

656
00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:25,140
um

657
00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:26,820
is that something we want to talk about

658
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:29,159
right like this what this

659
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:31,260
film and book presents because I think

660
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:32,820
that that I see that as like a critical

661
00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:35,520
part to like the benefits kind of story

662
00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:36,900
arc

663
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:38,820
and there's there's some disagreement as

664
00:27:42,289 --> 00:27:40,679
well among some of the

665
00:27:45,169 --> 00:27:42,299
people

666
00:27:46,430 --> 00:27:45,179
um involved in the Saga so um Walter

667
00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:46,440
Bosley

668
00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:50,220
who is a was a former a fosey agent I

669
00:27:53,930 --> 00:27:51,720
think his first name's Walter he's got a

670
00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:53,940
YouTube channel but

671
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:54,779
um

672
00:28:03,769 --> 00:28:01,200
Pilkington that he'd seen a UFO like out

673
00:28:06,169 --> 00:28:03,779
in the desert with like special glasses

674
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:06,179
at night it was like a government

675
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:10,320
operated machine but then

676
00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:13,200
um Bosley completely denies that that he

677
00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:15,480
was ever he ever told that to Pilkington

678
00:28:19,549 --> 00:28:17,880
so I don't know what the status of that

679
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,559
story is and it's sort of like a little

680
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:22,080
bit of a

681
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,279
um

682
00:28:29,690 --> 00:28:25,919
like a what's that word uh when two

683
00:28:36,730 --> 00:28:33,590
enemies adversarial

684
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:36,740
falling out of something between

685
00:28:41,330 --> 00:28:38,580
yeah yes

686
00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:41,340
um over that you know aspect but I think

687
00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:44,340
the the book itself was very good and

688
00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:46,380
the um documentary was pretty fair to

689
00:28:48,649 --> 00:28:47,460
the book

690
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:48,659
um

691
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:52,740
some of the people in it uh there was

692
00:28:57,649 --> 00:28:55,500
Linda Moulton Howe yep she got a bit

693
00:28:58,909 --> 00:28:57,659
upset at first because she thought that

694
00:29:00,350 --> 00:28:58,919
um Pilkington was just trying to cover

695
00:29:03,529 --> 00:29:00,360
for the government

696
00:29:04,669 --> 00:29:03,539
right and uh but anyway

697
00:29:08,029 --> 00:29:04,679
um

698
00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:08,039
yeah the premise is that the government

699
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,440
is like mudding the waters and it's

700
00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:12,480
making it difficult to investigate any

701
00:29:15,649 --> 00:29:14,520
of this stuff which is fair enough I

702
00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:15,659
guess

703
00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:19,020
yeah that was so I watched Mirage man at

704
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,580
the start of the summer so when I was

705
00:29:25,310 --> 00:29:22,559
first really getting back into UFO stuff

706
00:29:27,409 --> 00:29:25,320
and I can remember I mean I didn't know

707
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:27,419
this constellation of

708
00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:29,580
figures like I didn't know Dodie or

709
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,500
benowitz or anything like this but I do

710
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:33,840
remember having the distinct impression

711
00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:35,940
from this documentary that the core

712
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,760
message is the government is involved in

713
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:40,320
the community and its narrative

714
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,679
construction and that this is this is

715
00:29:47,389 --> 00:29:45,600
demonstrated by Dodie's involvement with

716
00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:47,399
benowitz and you can probably safely

717
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,020
assume that this happens at a larger

718
00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:51,360
scale as well

719
00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:53,220
um and like I don't know in the past few

720
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:54,539
months like I don't think that's a

721
00:29:58,610 --> 00:29:56,220
particularly long voter drought I

722
00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:58,620
suppose that you know partly just you

723
00:30:01,490 --> 00:30:00,059
know it's a conspiracy culture so of

724
00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:01,500
course there's going to be some degree

725
00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:03,720
of federal interest in infiltration but

726
00:30:09,230 --> 00:30:05,820
you know also like there's huge amounts

727
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,240
of like either I would say uh deliberate

728
00:30:13,970 --> 00:30:11,840
or ad hoc

729
00:30:15,649 --> 00:30:13,980
counterintelligence or misinformation or

730
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:15,659
Ops or anything like that

731
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:17,700
yeah and especially with Jack Brewer's

732
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,980
research you see more of that oh an

733
00:30:26,590 --> 00:30:22,080
elephants of that like from the 1950s

734
00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:29,149
Pilkington is from the UK and Bosley had

735
00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:31,020
something to do with the film but what

736
00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:32,820
was that something Simon that's what we

737
00:30:36,059 --> 00:30:40,549
he appeared in the film at least yeah

738
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:42,769
now I I I've heard

739
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:43,760
um

740
00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:46,020
different stories about what was going

741
00:30:49,850 --> 00:30:47,820
on during this whole Dodie and benowitz

742
00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:49,860
Affair and one of the rumors that I

743
00:30:54,169 --> 00:30:52,140
heard is that Heineken valet may have

744
00:30:56,029 --> 00:30:54,179
been involved in it do you know anything

745
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:56,039
about that and they're both on the far

746
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,980
left there of the chart okay

747
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:00,720
something about

748
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:03,179
um either heinek or valet providing a

749
00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:05,340
computer

750
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,559
yeah I mean I've heard of that um yeah

751
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:09,120
what about that high neck like provided

752
00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:11,220
the computer to benowitz with all the

753
00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:14,220
fake Communications with the aliens and

754
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:16,740
he was in cahoots with the Air Force but

755
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:19,080
I just don't believe that right I'm not

756
00:31:23,149 --> 00:31:20,880
even sure where that comes from I wonder

757
00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:23,159
no more I think Bill Moore is the first

758
00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:25,980
one who claimed that oh okay was this

759
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:28,620
after he kind of did his uh may call up

760
00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:30,240
a speech at that mufan conference or

761
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:31,380
before

762
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:34,200
whoa wait what's this

763
00:31:37,789 --> 00:31:36,059
yeah uh

764
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:37,799
um gosh there's a there's like a really

765
00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:40,380
poor quality uh tape of it of Bill Moore

766
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,600
at a move on yeah basically like he's

767
00:31:48,590 --> 00:31:44,880
being booed by everyone yeah and he's

768
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:48,600
basically like I was used by by Dodie

769
00:31:54,889 --> 00:31:51,679
and you I was a pawn and Dodie's

770
00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:54,899
five-dimensional chat he was also saying

771
00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:57,240
that he wanted he would he knew but he

772
00:32:01,070 --> 00:31:58,919
accepted it because he wanted to get

773
00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:01,080
close to the you know the heart of the

774
00:32:05,389 --> 00:32:03,899
secret right yeah yeah take it down from

775
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,399
the inside

776
00:32:10,909 --> 00:32:07,919
I think he kept believing aspects of it

777
00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:10,919
even after that like of the alien

778
00:32:13,490 --> 00:32:12,360
reality

779
00:32:16,909 --> 00:32:13,500
um but

780
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,919
he at least came clean on Dodie

781
00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:19,440
um yeah sure

782
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,480
I mean Bill Moore before all this he was

783
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:24,000
like uh one of the the big Rising Stars

784
00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:27,120
uh around Roswell right yeah yeah

785
00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:28,500
exactly

786
00:32:34,210 --> 00:32:29,820
I think that kind of shot his

787
00:32:39,769 --> 00:32:36,289
you go ahead firstly I was going to

788
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,779
mention falcon oh I was going to say we

789
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:41,760
have Justin s here commenting he did UFO

790
00:32:45,289 --> 00:32:43,260
researchers a real favorite by coming

791
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:45,299
clean this is Bill Moore right yeah yeah

792
00:32:48,649 --> 00:32:46,860
big props to him right it's not easy

793
00:32:49,970 --> 00:32:48,659
tone up to that stuff

794
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:49,980
um I'm sorry who are we looking at here

795
00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:52,740
Falcon no more oh yeah right here so

796
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:54,779
Falcon was supposedly

797
00:33:00,830 --> 00:32:57,960
um so he was supposedly on dody's uh a

798
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:00,840
Foci partner and they would make visits

799
00:33:05,529 --> 00:33:03,000
to the benowitz household and

800
00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:05,539
oh you know feed benoit's disinformation

801
00:33:15,409 --> 00:33:11,340
and stir him up is the story but um no

802
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:15,419
um now in the 19 1988 TV special UFO

803
00:33:21,289 --> 00:33:19,140
cover-up live clearly wedded people

804
00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:21,299
um from the Aviary so the aviaries

805
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,700
associated with Bill Moore it's like 12

806
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:25,200
scientists or something kind of like

807
00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:28,380
along the lines of mj-12 but right a bit

808
00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:30,419
different but open door to your name

809
00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:32,700
yeah exactly

810
00:33:36,490 --> 00:33:34,140
um

811
00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:36,500
but uh Falcon was one of those people

812
00:33:42,769 --> 00:33:40,019
but Falcon was actually Dodie um in

813
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:42,779
silhouette on on that TV special yeah

814
00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:45,600
they disguised his voice and yeah kind

815
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,179
of lit him and seriously yeah you gotta

816
00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:50,880
watch UFO cover-ups I I have to I've

817
00:33:55,970 --> 00:33:53,220
I've seen this sort of like grainy VHS

818
00:33:58,009 --> 00:33:55,980
versions uploaded I need to take

819
00:34:00,110 --> 00:33:58,019
something that's how you watch it

820
00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:00,120
um yeah that documentary or that TV

821
00:34:04,909 --> 00:34:02,340
special had so many tropes that Bob

822
00:34:07,009 --> 00:34:04,919
Lazar would later copy like just

823
00:34:09,950 --> 00:34:07,019
straight up copy first knitting yeah

824
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,960
including Area 51 like the name Area 51

825
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:11,520
was literally mentioned in that

826
00:34:16,609 --> 00:34:14,760
documentary yeah Justin chiming in here

827
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,619
Greg Bishop bringing Duty on Coast to

828
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,440
Coast yeah you know what that's um I did

829
00:34:23,149 --> 00:34:21,359
not realize Dodie was on with Art Bell

830
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:23,159
that's fantastic though I mean it makes

831
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,320
sense it's totally inappropriate guest

832
00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:27,599
sorry Lewis what were you gonna say

833
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:29,940
Oh no just a bunch of tropes from that

834
00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:34,500
um that TV special like naming Area 51

835
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,020
um there was also a mention of Naval

836
00:34:41,629 --> 00:34:38,879
intelligence

837
00:34:44,089 --> 00:34:41,639
uh you know Lazar claims that he was um

838
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:44,099
employed by the department of Naval

839
00:34:48,530 --> 00:34:45,780
intelligence it's actually the Office of

840
00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:48,540
Naval intelligence but anyway but um for

841
00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:50,040
some reason Naval intelligence has

842
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:52,260
actually featured quite prominently over

843
00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:53,580
the decades

844
00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:57,240
um in UFO lore maybe because of some

845
00:35:04,070 --> 00:34:59,880
spat between the there's the word I was

846
00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:05,570
um between the Air Force and the Navy

847
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:07,140
because sometimes you get like these

848
00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:08,760
inter-rival

849
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,400
um into bureaucracy rivalries yeah but

850
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:13,200
it could also be because the Navy covers

851
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:15,240
a lot more of the world's

852
00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:16,380
area

853
00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:18,359
right so they got a much larger

854
00:35:23,210 --> 00:35:20,700
jurisdiction than the Air Force and so

855
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,220
they're probably interested in UFOs to a

856
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,960
large extent or maybe a larger extent

857
00:35:30,050 --> 00:35:26,400
than the Air Force

858
00:35:32,569 --> 00:35:30,060
but that's just a hypothesis

859
00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:32,579
oh just as a quick aside Leah uh if you

860
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:34,140
do decide to watch UFO cover-up live

861
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:35,520
there's also

862
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:38,960
um footage from the Hudson Valley event

863
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:42,839
not not creative reenactments but actual

864
00:35:48,650 --> 00:35:46,140
actual footage yep and I can see the

865
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,660
triangle pass overhead well there's one

866
00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:50,640
that was uh there's some lights in this

867
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,440
distance you can't really tell what it

868
00:35:56,930 --> 00:35:54,720
is but then the second video is very

869
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:56,940
clearly of planes flying information and

870
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,170
I mean

871
00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:05,089
I think I mentioned this a long time ago

872
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:07,560
but that UFO cover-up live

873
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:09,660
um actually kind of twists The Narrative

874
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:12,660
and says that those planes were flying

875
00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:14,820
once to try to prove that that's what

876
00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:15,780
they were

877
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,460
yeah uh

878
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:19,440
and it was it was a failed attempt

879
00:36:23,630 --> 00:36:21,180
that's kind of how they spun it

880
00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:23,640
but that is it's clearly not true I mean

881
00:36:28,910 --> 00:36:26,280
the place my skeptical face dude I'm

882
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:28,920
trying I keep myself so locked up all

883
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:31,020
day at work and on the internet but you

884
00:36:34,370 --> 00:36:32,460
it's definitely worth a watch for

885
00:36:37,130 --> 00:36:34,380
everybody I think it's on archive.org in

886
00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:37,140
fact if not it's on YouTube 100 so yeah

887
00:36:40,609 --> 00:36:39,000
from Brooke the Air Force took the hard

888
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,619
drives from the Navy's Nimitz incident

889
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:42,240
they also failed to contribute to you if

890
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,280
you report number one but yes Brooke

891
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:45,839
we're aware but we're talking about

892
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:47,940
Dodie and benowitz tonight

893
00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:50,640
not the Tic Tacs unfortunately all this

894
00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:52,440
new stuff that's still that's still

895
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,660
relevant though because if there is a

896
00:36:58,270 --> 00:36:56,880
something going on between the Air Force

897
00:37:00,530 --> 00:36:58,280
and Navy

898
00:37:02,569 --> 00:37:00,540
you know that could be relevant to the

899
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,579
UFO how it developed

900
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:04,079
yeah that's a good point never mind

901
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,820
Brooke sorry for breaking over the calls

902
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:08,400
publicly you actually made an astute

903
00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:09,480
comment

904
00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:10,920
um

905
00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:14,220
what's the connection here to uh to

906
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:16,740
thunder scientific that was benefits

907
00:37:21,530 --> 00:37:19,619
company okay and then talk to me about

908
00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:21,540
John Lear it's like John Lear stands out

909
00:37:25,550 --> 00:37:23,820
in my mind is just like 10 pounds of

910
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:25,560
crazy in a five pound bag when we're

911
00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:27,780
talking about the 1990s ufology right

912
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:29,400
like what was his connection to Paul

913
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:33,599
benowitz so he was he was um friends or

914
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,700
at least friendly with benowitz

915
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:37,440
um and

916
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:40,260
also with Bill Moore

917
00:37:43,730 --> 00:37:42,300
um it could have been Bill Moore and

918
00:37:44,990 --> 00:37:43,740
John Lear who had the falling out

919
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:45,000
instead of

920
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:52,609
you're running around with Bill Cooper

921
00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:55,440
that would have been like yeah but I

922
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,260
mean yeah they were also like for a

923
00:38:02,770 --> 00:38:00,720
while at least until Cooper rejected the

924
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:02,780
alien hypothesis

925
00:38:07,849 --> 00:38:05,640
yeah Leo was um

926
00:38:10,370 --> 00:38:07,859
he was a very good pilot

927
00:38:12,109 --> 00:38:10,380
are you still alive actually no he

928
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:12,119
passed away recently he passed away I

929
00:38:15,050 --> 00:38:13,680
think about a year and a half or two

930
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:15,060
years ago

931
00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:16,560
um but yeah he was you know as the son

932
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:18,180
of the inventor of the Learjet he was

933
00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:20,520
known I think he had over like uh what

934
00:38:24,730 --> 00:38:23,160
like he had some crazy like 10 000 hours

935
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:24,740
yeah

936
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,220
now interesting thing is that um the his

937
00:38:35,450 --> 00:38:34,079
father was actually interested in um

938
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,460
anti-gravity

939
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,680
because a lot of companies back then

940
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:39,599
um in the 50s and 60s were like um

941
00:38:42,829 --> 00:38:40,980
interested in the possibility of

942
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:42,839
anti-gravity there's actually a really

943
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,560
good article on thedrive.com and the war

944
00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:48,720
zone section which talked about that

945
00:38:53,329 --> 00:38:51,300
history so maybe like

946
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,339
um John Leo heard something from his

947
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,680
father and got inspired

948
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,880
um

949
00:39:03,410 --> 00:38:59,040
the other thing is that

950
00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:03,420
um Leo was actually an employee who

951
00:39:09,770 --> 00:39:06,180
are at the Nevada test site in the early

952
00:39:13,490 --> 00:39:09,780
80s and he flew like um over the test

953
00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:13,500
site after nuclear tests to gather like

954
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,660
um air particles in case like they

955
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,280
because they were doing like underground

956
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:19,200
testing but some of it spilled into the

957
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:21,240
atmosphere they wanted to know how much

958
00:39:26,329 --> 00:39:23,940
so he was um you know he had a security

959
00:39:28,190 --> 00:39:26,339
clearance there at least for a while he

960
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:28,200
claims that he was the only civilian

961
00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:31,920
ever to land at area 51. I don't know if

962
00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:33,720
that's true

963
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:34,619
um

964
00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:36,300
but he definitely worked at the Nevada

965
00:39:42,530 --> 00:39:39,000
test site if not Area 51

966
00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:42,540
he was very in invested in UFOs famously

967
00:39:48,109 --> 00:39:45,540
he went on Georgia Knapp's um you know

968
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:48,119
news program in the in 1987. you can

969
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:50,220
find that on YouTube as well a bunch of

970
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:52,500
tropes there that he would later promote

971
00:39:58,370 --> 00:39:54,780
along with Bob Lazar who he became

972
00:39:59,870 --> 00:39:58,380
friends with right yeah were Bros and

973
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,880
they were I mean this is all going on in

974
00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:01,680
Las Vegas too because that's where Napa

975
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,320
is as well yeah yes yes

976
00:40:08,569 --> 00:40:06,480
and um

977
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:08,579
the other thing is

978
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,720
he just went like on a completely insane

979
00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:15,359
you know path like Way Beyond anything

980
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,320
Lazar ever said like that like the moon

981
00:40:24,109 --> 00:40:21,839
was towed here by aliens yeah stuff like

982
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:25,910
it's called that praying mantises you

983
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:31,250
very big on promoting the underground

984
00:40:37,069 --> 00:40:35,460
bases story that would later you know he

985
00:40:39,410 --> 00:40:37,079
would become as well very prominent in

986
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:39,420
that like especially with a Dulce bass

987
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:40,880
yeah

988
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:43,320
may have been an invention of Dodie as

989
00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:44,640
well

990
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:47,640
but um benefits I forgot to mention was

991
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:50,700
also I think he was a pilot A Private

992
00:40:55,849 --> 00:40:53,520
Pilot he was um doing his own

993
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,859
investigations Neo Dulce like he would

994
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:58,079
fly over the mountain or the the the

995
00:41:03,530 --> 00:41:01,680
Mesa is it called yeah

996
00:41:05,870 --> 00:41:03,540
he will take photos and he thought that

997
00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:05,880
he saw like alien craft there and stuff

998
00:41:10,730 --> 00:41:08,940
military installations and he thought

999
00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:10,740
that there was an underground base where

1000
00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:12,420
gruesome experiments were going on

1001
00:41:16,130 --> 00:41:14,760
there's actually a lady there Muna

1002
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:16,140
Hansen

1003
00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:18,420
that he was friends with and I think

1004
00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:21,660
another lady who was she she

1005
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:22,200
um

1006
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:24,900
claimed that she had been abducted

1007
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:27,720
briefly by aliens and she saw like some

1008
00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:30,060
of the experiments going on

1009
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:32,460
and then it morphed into a story that um

1010
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:34,380
the government was actually

1011
00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:37,440
allowing the aliens to kidnap people as

1012
00:41:41,390 --> 00:41:39,420
long as they didn't harm the people but

1013
00:41:44,569 --> 00:41:41,400
then the aliens broke the

1014
00:41:45,950 --> 00:41:44,579
the treaty right this is wasn't that

1015
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,960
with like Eisenhower

1016
00:41:50,510 --> 00:41:48,240
yeah that Eisenhower

1017
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,520
um signed some agreement

1018
00:41:56,329 --> 00:41:53,520
to allow the aliens a certain quota of

1019
00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:56,339
citizens to kidnap but they had to bring

1020
00:42:01,130 --> 00:41:58,980
them back unharmed yeah right made

1021
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:01,140
famous in the well-known documentary on

1022
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,420
Close Encounters of the Third Kind yes

1023
00:42:07,970 --> 00:42:05,280
also the storyline that they used to go

1024
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,980
with the uh the myth Arc and The X-Files

1025
00:42:12,290 --> 00:42:09,839
oh yeah yeah

1026
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:12,300
um and so I know you know I know John

1027
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:13,980
Lear of course through the lens of Art

1028
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:15,900
Bell Coast to Coast he was a pretty

1029
00:42:20,990 --> 00:42:18,720
regular guest and he was somewhat

1030
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,000
notorious on that show for two things

1031
00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:23,040
one was that he once proclaimed that

1032
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:25,500
when you are dying and the light appears

1033
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:27,180
that you should not go to the light you

1034
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:29,099
should go away from the light an art

1035
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:30,900
bell regularly reported that this

1036
00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:33,839
haunted him uh routinely but the other

1037
00:42:39,770 --> 00:42:37,079
thing John Lear did is he had what

1038
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:39,780
became colloquially known as the Lear

1039
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:43,859
test which was this collection of

1040
00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:46,880
statements about the presence of

1041
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:49,740
extraterrestrials and aliens and the

1042
00:42:54,109 --> 00:42:51,540
nature of their danger to humans

1043
00:42:57,050 --> 00:42:54,119
including things like abductions

1044
00:42:59,809 --> 00:42:57,060
mutilations implants hybrids Etc et

1045
00:43:01,790 --> 00:42:59,819
cetera Etc with this notion that he'd

1046
00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:01,800
rattle off this long list it's like

1047
00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:03,960
listening to Campbell rattle off uh yeah

1048
00:43:07,609 --> 00:43:06,060
UF the UFO list only as we were talking

1049
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:07,619
about the Insidious and dangerous

1050
00:43:11,809 --> 00:43:10,619
that they aliens are doing and um then

1051
00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:11,819
at the end of it he'd be like all right

1052
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:13,800
so knowing all of that like would you

1053
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:16,260
disclose that there's extraterrestrial

1054
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,140
life uh visiting Earth and of course the

1055
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,880
response when you hear that long list is

1056
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,560
no of course not people who get totally

1057
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:24,000
freaked out

1058
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:26,040
um it's totally worth listening to this

1059
00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:27,780
excerpt or this interview if you ever

1060
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:29,640
have the chance to hear it

1061
00:43:34,130 --> 00:43:32,520
um because it's also uh it draws really

1062
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:34,140
heavily on the Brookings Institute

1063
00:43:39,770 --> 00:43:37,319
report from like uh I think the late 60s

1064
00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:39,780
or early 70s which also kind of made the

1065
00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:41,160
similar claim that like any kind of

1066
00:43:45,470 --> 00:43:42,839
disclosure would be so monumentally

1067
00:43:47,089 --> 00:43:45,480
traumatic and disruptive to like all

1068
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:47,099
functioning parts of society that you

1069
00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:51,900
shouldn't ever disclose anything yes the

1070
00:43:55,309 --> 00:43:53,819
birkish report is that where that whole

1071
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,319
kind of narrative comes from like oh

1072
00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:57,359
they keep they keep this yep fresh

1073
00:44:00,170 --> 00:43:58,920
because like oh the world couldn't take

1074
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:00,180
it and think of all the religious people

1075
00:44:06,010 --> 00:44:03,660
and stuff yeah even even our friend

1076
00:44:07,970 --> 00:44:06,020
Dr Stephen Greer

1077
00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:07,980
the center for the study of

1078
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:09,540
extraterrestrial intelligence and the

1079
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:11,940
disclosure project tells us no after

1080
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,640
hearing the lyric test incredible

1081
00:44:18,530 --> 00:44:16,319
yeah

1082
00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:18,540
is Lewis doing the charts how long does

1083
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:20,760
it take to do it and which program is

1084
00:44:26,089 --> 00:44:23,940
being used I appreciate the nuts and

1085
00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:26,099
bolts nature of this question it's

1086
00:44:31,970 --> 00:44:29,880
actually yes I am doing them and um

1087
00:44:33,770 --> 00:44:31,980
if you could put the link Leo to the

1088
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,780
article which has got this

1089
00:44:37,309 --> 00:44:36,000
um chart so other people can look at it

1090
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,319
but um

1091
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:39,839
I I use Lucid dot app

1092
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,300
and um I think it's got a

1093
00:44:46,010 --> 00:44:44,160
I don't know it's I figure what the

1094
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,020
subscription fee is it's not it's not

1095
00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:47,760
that expensive

1096
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:50,040
um but it takes depends how long

1097
00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:53,760
um how big it is like so you know you

1098
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,140
have to read a book or something to

1099
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:56,880
understand kind of the connections and

1100
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:57,720
then

1101
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:59,220
once you understand those connections

1102
00:45:02,530 --> 00:45:00,660
it's actually doesn't actually take that

1103
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,540
long but then you discover more things

1104
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:04,560
it's really kind of a challenge if

1105
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:05,880
anything to

1106
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:09,119
keep the uh to stop adding stuff because

1107
00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:10,800
like everybody in the world is connected

1108
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:13,260
in some way right so you have to decide

1109
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:14,700
like what is actually part of this

1110
00:45:20,329 --> 00:45:18,720
narrative instead of not sure and

1111
00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:20,339
include the stuff that is instead of the

1112
00:45:24,530 --> 00:45:22,380
stuff that isn't

1113
00:45:26,329 --> 00:45:24,540
yeah you have I'm scrolling through your

1114
00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:26,339
blog right now Louis uh you follow

1115
00:45:32,569 --> 00:45:29,099
jesuscrypt.com for anyone uh on the

1116
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,579
stream I'm looking for uh wait I think I

1117
00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:34,560
just found it this uh this is just about

1118
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:35,940
a year old I'm gonna share this out in

1119
00:45:39,710 --> 00:45:38,640
the chat right now for anyone tuning in

1120
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:39,720
um

1121
00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:44,400
which have got the charts or maybe three

1122
00:45:48,050 --> 00:45:45,660
articles now

1123
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,060
yeah yeah there's a handful of them it

1124
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:50,160
looks like a bit of a go to the oldest

1125
00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:52,980
one that's the one with this this chart

1126
00:46:01,130 --> 00:45:56,760
I think oh my God I'm Leah prime your

1127
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,140
host and on stream internet Navigator

1128
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,359
um this is I have a louisando Tom Delong

1129
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:05,040
one

1130
00:46:13,370 --> 00:46:10,500
can you show the

1131
00:46:15,470 --> 00:46:13,380
it's it's in that same article so there

1132
00:46:17,809 --> 00:46:15,480
should be multiple charts in the same

1133
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:17,819
article yeah they have an article yeah I

1134
00:46:21,890 --> 00:46:19,500
have an article open right here I just

1135
00:46:23,690 --> 00:46:21,900
shared it out and it's the UFO scene

1136
00:46:26,589 --> 00:46:23,700
using Association charts it's called

1137
00:46:30,290 --> 00:46:26,599
benowitz it is

1138
00:46:32,809 --> 00:46:30,300
Kehoe oh nightcap and then blue Elizondo

1139
00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:32,819
so it's like a triumvirate of navigating

1140
00:46:40,270 --> 00:46:35,460
the uh ins and outs of the ufology

1141
00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:43,010
so we're we're a little ways into this

1142
00:46:48,290 --> 00:46:44,579
benefit story but we haven't actually

1143
00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:48,300
gotten to the conclusion of that so we

1144
00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:50,520
have benowitz seeing things flying over

1145
00:46:54,109 --> 00:46:52,740
the base that's basically on his front

1146
00:46:57,790 --> 00:46:54,119
deck

1147
00:47:02,030 --> 00:46:57,800
um he reports this Dodie comes in right

1148
00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:02,040
and he starts feeding him alien and a

1149
00:47:06,050 --> 00:47:04,619
UFO alien ET narrative basically they're

1150
00:47:07,730 --> 00:47:06,060
going on flights they're looking at

1151
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:07,740
they're flying over the base didn't I I

1152
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,720
think there was a claim that Dodie

1153
00:47:13,069 --> 00:47:11,520
um scattered out some some false

1154
00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:13,079
wreckage for him to see at some point

1155
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,980
too right right or at least yeah

1156
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:18,960
right right

1157
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,180
the the photos that um benefits took

1158
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:23,280
don't show anything very definitive it's

1159
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:24,480
sort of like

1160
00:47:31,069 --> 00:47:30,230
but I mean Dodie could well have done

1161
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:31,079
that

1162
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,880
um again we have to take anything he

1163
00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:34,800
says with a grain of salt

1164
00:47:38,990 --> 00:47:36,180
but it's um

1165
00:47:41,290 --> 00:47:39,000
I also wonder about the legality of this

1166
00:47:44,510 --> 00:47:41,300
stuff if it was a sanctioned operation

1167
00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:44,520
by a fossee

1168
00:47:47,450 --> 00:47:45,240
um

1169
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:47,460
because benowitz was like almost driven

1170
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,220
completely crazy sure she ended up like

1171
00:47:55,069 --> 00:47:53,040
a mental uh hospital he had to go a lot

1172
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:55,079
of treatment

1173
00:47:58,670 --> 00:47:56,640
um his sons had to take over the

1174
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:58,680
business and

1175
00:48:03,650 --> 00:48:00,660
um you know his wife was kind of really

1176
00:48:06,589 --> 00:48:03,660
angry at the whole UFO genre because um

1177
00:48:08,089 --> 00:48:06,599
it was destroying her husband's life

1178
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,099
right

1179
00:48:13,609 --> 00:48:11,040
and understandably and legitimately so

1180
00:48:16,849 --> 00:48:13,619
right like if you're thinking about the

1181
00:48:19,250 --> 00:48:16,859
claims and behaviors being made by Dodie

1182
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:19,260
um and benowitz

1183
00:48:25,010 --> 00:48:22,500
being an isolated civilian right about

1184
00:48:28,730 --> 00:48:25,020
these claims to me having some kind of

1185
00:48:31,490 --> 00:48:28,740
mental break or intense uh psychiatric

1186
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:31,500
response tracks it seems like that's

1187
00:48:37,089 --> 00:48:34,380
like a a normal and even healthier

1188
00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:37,099
response to these kinds of uh

1189
00:48:41,809 --> 00:48:39,900
intercessions by the the government or

1190
00:48:44,089 --> 00:48:41,819
by these actors

1191
00:48:46,970 --> 00:48:44,099
and I think Bishop Greg Bishop in the

1192
00:48:49,849 --> 00:48:46,980
documentary um Mirage Men I think he

1193
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,859
also appears in it um he says I think it

1194
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:51,119
was him it might have been somebody else

1195
00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:54,420
but um I think he says that

1196
00:48:57,770 --> 00:48:56,760
the the gov the military could have just

1197
00:49:00,349 --> 00:48:57,780
ordered

1198
00:49:02,270 --> 00:49:00,359
um benefits to not report anything he

1199
00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:02,280
found like with his electronic equipment

1200
00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:04,680
right like they're probably like

1201
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:07,980
National Security acts you know on the

1202
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,280
books to prevent those sorts of leaks

1203
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,680
um if civilians find them but instead

1204
00:49:19,010 --> 00:49:16,319
they went through this whole elaborate

1205
00:49:20,510 --> 00:49:19,020
disinformation campaign so you have to

1206
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:20,520
wonder like what else they wanted to get

1207
00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:21,960
out of that

1208
00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:23,220
right it could have been a way of

1209
00:49:28,609 --> 00:49:25,800
nabbing spies like Soviet spies near the

1210
00:49:31,069 --> 00:49:28,619
base right and that's one of the big

1211
00:49:33,230 --> 00:49:31,079
themes and Mirage man is like the

1212
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:33,240
counterintelligence aspect

1213
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:36,060
which um I think you know we have to

1214
00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:37,980
think about that in terms of current

1215
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,790
pretty relevant today yeah that's what

1216
00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:45,599
that's what I always think of with

1217
00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:50,220
regards to Lazar or uh benowitz is that

1218
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,200
it's almost

1219
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:54,240
pressure testing information

1220
00:49:59,089 --> 00:49:56,400
distribution to have these like

1221
00:50:00,050 --> 00:49:59,099
far-fetched claims

1222
00:50:02,329 --> 00:50:00,060
um

1223
00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:02,339
or far-fetched information be presented

1224
00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:04,200
to someone who subsequently goes on to

1225
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:05,940
disseminate it because you can then

1226
00:50:11,150 --> 00:50:09,119
pretty I would guess especially you know

1227
00:50:12,970 --> 00:50:11,160
pre-internet pre cell phones and stuff

1228
00:50:16,030 --> 00:50:12,980
you'd probably be able to build

1229
00:50:19,010 --> 00:50:16,040
a pretty

1230
00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:19,020
reliable like communication map or

1231
00:50:23,660 --> 00:50:22,140
information map of how uh things were

1232
00:50:24,109 --> 00:50:23,670
passed person to person

1233
00:50:26,170 --> 00:50:24,119
[Music]

1234
00:50:31,609 --> 00:50:28,550
selectively Distributing stuff I'm sorry

1235
00:50:32,450 --> 00:50:31,619
go ahead Lewis yeah and then related to

1236
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,460
that

1237
00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:35,280
um you can see like um if you pick up

1238
00:50:41,329 --> 00:50:38,220
chatter on the Soviet side or the

1239
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,339
Chinese side they say similar things and

1240
00:50:46,670 --> 00:50:43,680
then you can like figure out like who

1241
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,680
they're talking to correct triangulate

1242
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:48,240
it yeah and I mean the other thing to

1243
00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:51,119
keep in mind too is like look like radio

1244
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,140
um

1245
00:50:56,930 --> 00:50:54,960
radio broadcasts all over the place and

1246
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:56,940
it doesn't particularly respect National

1247
00:51:00,650 --> 00:51:00,000
and international boundaries so

1248
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,660
um

1249
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:03,119
if you're putting information out over

1250
00:51:08,809 --> 00:51:06,300
radio or in any sort of unsecured signal

1251
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,819
no matter what it is like listeners are

1252
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:10,559
going to be able to pick it up you know

1253
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:12,780
it's always been like a huge like like

1254
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,660
Radio free Europe and voice of Moscow

1255
00:51:18,589 --> 00:51:17,520
and stuff like

1256
00:51:20,809 --> 00:51:18,599
um

1257
00:51:23,809 --> 00:51:20,819
when shortwave signals propagate to hit

1258
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:23,819
North America uh Moscow makes sure to

1259
00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:25,200
broadcast stuff that's very friendly and

1260
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:26,579
propagandistic for North American

1261
00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:29,400
audiences and similarly like if benowitz

1262
00:51:36,049 --> 00:51:31,800
is encountering all this stuff that he's

1263
00:51:37,849 --> 00:51:36,059
picking up from um this base uh it's not

1264
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:37,859
a long voter draw to also assume that

1265
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:39,480
other people are listening into it as

1266
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:42,240
well whether it's him or foreign actors

1267
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,680
or whatever like you don't have to be

1268
00:51:49,309 --> 00:51:45,839
paranoid or conspiratorial to to know

1269
00:51:49,319 --> 00:51:51,470
yeah

1270
00:51:55,970 --> 00:51:53,809
he was on calling all beings fascinating

1271
00:51:58,490 --> 00:51:55,980
and makes more Nut Job claims than Dr

1272
00:52:01,069 --> 00:51:58,500
Greer yeah I mean Doris whole sort of

1273
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:01,079
stick seems to be like to talk about

1274
00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:04,440
something and embed some reliable

1275
00:52:09,170 --> 00:52:06,660
information into

1276
00:52:10,569 --> 00:52:09,180
totally wild ass clams

1277
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,579
yeah

1278
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,960
speaking uh to what you were saying

1279
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:14,880
Lewis or at least a little earlier about

1280
00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:16,680
why didn't they why didn't the Navy just

1281
00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:18,780
tell him to stop I even heard claims

1282
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,520
that benowitz was a pretty patriotic guy

1283
00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:22,800
and probably would have he also like

1284
00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:25,859
Dodie wasn't just screwing with him I

1285
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,720
mean he was using Bill Moore and final

1286
00:52:32,030 --> 00:52:29,760
information like I said earlier to apro

1287
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:32,040
so it's it's going into these big UFO

1288
00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:33,720
communities and stuff like that where's

1289
00:52:37,609 --> 00:52:35,579
the motivation for that that that's

1290
00:52:39,170 --> 00:52:37,619
probably not coming from the Navy or or

1291
00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:39,180
is it

1292
00:52:44,329 --> 00:52:42,900
uh let's see well maybe um the UFO

1293
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:44,339
Community could be used as a kind of

1294
00:52:48,770 --> 00:52:47,520
conduit for disinformation maybe to use

1295
00:52:50,569 --> 00:52:48,780
things like if people are getting

1296
00:52:52,910 --> 00:52:50,579
information about like stealth aircraft

1297
00:52:55,790 --> 00:52:52,920
or secret projects then you want to

1298
00:52:59,150 --> 00:52:55,800
muddy that and you want to throw in some

1299
00:53:01,609 --> 00:52:59,160
and um or it could just be again as a

1300
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,619
way of um keeping track of like who's

1301
00:53:06,890 --> 00:53:03,119
actually listening to these stories

1302
00:53:08,569 --> 00:53:06,900
because maybe the Chinese are interested

1303
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,579
you know this guy

1304
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,040
from the Chinese Consulate just happens

1305
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:13,440
to be talking to this person from this

1306
00:53:18,109 --> 00:53:16,319
UFO group the people in the UFO group

1307
00:53:21,049 --> 00:53:18,119
could be completely innocent

1308
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:21,059
um right they might be getting used by a

1309
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,460
foreign power that's probably the fear

1310
00:53:29,230 --> 00:53:25,920
okay

1311
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:29,240
what um what's this saucer smear up here

1312
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:33,300
social smear is a uh it was a magazine I

1313
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:34,020
think

1314
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:34,640
um

1315
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:37,260
I think it's still active and if I'm not

1316
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,020
mistaken no it's not is it is it the

1317
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:43,040
predecessor to the bent spoon is

1318
00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:46,260
kind of like a uh

1319
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,180
like what's going on in the UFO

1320
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:50,160
Community sort of thing

1321
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:52,980
um satirical it's like National Enquirer

1322
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,900
it's like weekly world news it's like

1323
00:53:58,690 --> 00:53:57,359
batboy but for ufology

1324
00:54:01,309 --> 00:53:58,700
yeah

1325
00:54:03,650 --> 00:54:01,319
I you know I I speak to a bunch of

1326
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:03,660
people and I keep hearing like rumors

1327
00:54:08,030 --> 00:54:05,520
that it that it's gonna be brought back

1328
00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:08,040
by uh by a couple people a couple people

1329
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:09,300
we know

1330
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,559
um but that was a long time ago that I

1331
00:54:13,970 --> 00:54:12,000
heard that so we'll see

1332
00:54:15,650 --> 00:54:13,980
but it might be it might be in the works

1333
00:54:18,650 --> 00:54:15,660
I hope it still is

1334
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:18,660
and by the way Bishop is actually in the

1335
00:54:26,329 --> 00:54:24,049
oh yeah there he is Greg Bishop oh yeah

1336
00:54:28,250 --> 00:54:26,339
you know what um he's it's interesting

1337
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:28,260
he was actually in one of the classes I

1338
00:54:32,089 --> 00:54:30,900
took with Diana pasoka and presented on

1339
00:54:33,410 --> 00:54:32,099
benowitz

1340
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,420
um I took this class on spiritual

1341
00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:36,000
initiation ufology and he talked about

1342
00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:38,280
project beta he's a super excitable guy

1343
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:39,720
I think if we ever wanted to talk to him

1344
00:54:46,790 --> 00:54:43,200
I could probably get a hold of him cool

1345
00:54:51,049 --> 00:54:48,349
I haven't read it

1346
00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:51,059
oh Peter gersten man I I was just

1347
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,740
thinking of Peter gersten because he

1348
00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:54,480
shows up in all these old Coast to Coast

1349
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,660
AM episodes from like the 90s especially

1350
00:55:02,329 --> 00:54:59,520
after the Phoenix lights and stuff is

1351
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:02,339
that the UFO lawyer the UFO lawyer man

1352
00:55:08,450 --> 00:55:05,460
yeah he was uh he was involved in the

1353
00:55:10,910 --> 00:55:08,460
um kind of grouping investigation of the

1354
00:55:13,370 --> 00:55:10,920
Hudson Valley flap as well where he uh

1355
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:13,380
he kind of he linked up with like Bud

1356
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:15,690
Hopkins and streber

1357
00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:16,200
[Music]

1358
00:55:22,569 --> 00:55:16,740
um

1359
00:55:25,309 --> 00:55:22,579
portals now out in the desert I think

1360
00:55:26,809 --> 00:55:25,319
that's right and Sedona he like was

1361
00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:26,819
waiting for a portal to open to jump

1362
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:28,740
into and it didn't appear he had to go

1363
00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:32,220
home Vortex guys he also kind of uh

1364
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:34,980
started the the precursor to the um the

1365
00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:37,260
disclosure activists we see now they had

1366
00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:39,000
kind of a disclosure group

1367
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,940
going on um yeah is this the one with

1368
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:43,920
Greer

1369
00:56:01,630 --> 00:55:55,910
I can't remember the name of the group I

1370
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:04,190
he uh he represented

1371
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:04,920
um

1372
00:56:11,870 --> 00:56:08,160
the the uh experiences of the cash

1373
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:15,290
did he yeah yeah I did

1374
00:56:26,569 --> 00:56:22,790
a Cash Land room I I'm not fully up to

1375
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:26,579
speed with though so I could be wrong

1376
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:29,280
and by the way Linda Moulton College

1377
00:56:35,089 --> 00:56:31,680
before in this chart

1378
00:56:36,829 --> 00:56:35,099
um to the right yeah oh yeah this this

1379
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,839
whole story got mixed in with like the

1380
00:56:39,530 --> 00:56:38,400
cattle mutilations

1381
00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:39,540
um stories

1382
00:56:45,049 --> 00:56:41,160
because um

1383
00:56:47,690 --> 00:56:45,059
who's the guy um Gabe Valdez the cop

1384
00:56:50,510 --> 00:56:47,700
so here was the cop out there and he was

1385
00:56:52,730 --> 00:56:50,520
doing investigations of um you know uh

1386
00:56:55,309 --> 00:56:52,740
mutilation cases he came to the

1387
00:56:58,910 --> 00:56:55,319
conclusion that um the government was

1388
00:57:02,329 --> 00:56:58,920
faking UFO sightings and getting cattle

1389
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:02,339
to I think test for radioactive tissue

1390
00:57:05,809 --> 00:57:03,599
because they've been doing like

1391
00:57:07,569 --> 00:57:05,819
underground nuclear tests

1392
00:57:10,849 --> 00:57:07,579
um

1393
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:10,859
yeah like there was a fear that they it

1394
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,260
had contaminated the groundwater

1395
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:15,839
and that maybe you could detect

1396
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:18,960
um you know radioactivity in the tissues

1397
00:57:21,710 --> 00:57:20,040
of animals

1398
00:57:23,690 --> 00:57:21,720
but they didn't want to for some reason

1399
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:23,700
like it just sounds like complete

1400
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,440
nonsense to me like the government could

1401
00:57:32,030 --> 00:57:26,880
just purchase

1402
00:57:33,230 --> 00:57:32,040
yeah the Dulce cop

1403
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,240
um

1404
00:57:38,510 --> 00:57:35,520
you know they could purchase cattle from

1405
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:38,520
Farmers right instead of right this

1406
00:57:42,370 --> 00:57:40,680
whole we're so Shenanigans it just

1407
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:42,380
doesn't feel right realistically

1408
00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:45,599
rational I still haven't seen anything

1409
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,640
remarkable come out of any of the cattle

1410
00:57:52,190 --> 00:57:49,200
mutilation stories either that doesn't

1411
00:57:53,630 --> 00:57:52,200
look just like predation anyway I know

1412
00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:53,640
like they like to throw around the word

1413
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:57,180
surgical a lot but um yeah yeah that

1414
00:58:03,049 --> 00:58:00,180
that story doesn't really make any sense

1415
00:58:06,730 --> 00:58:03,059
should do an mst3k Style watch of

1416
00:58:11,930 --> 00:58:09,470
documentary and UFO cover applied we

1417
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:11,940
should do I I want to do invisible High

1418
00:58:18,049 --> 00:58:14,960
School where we all get extremely high

1419
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:18,059
and watch this stuff live and record it

1420
00:58:22,010 --> 00:58:20,880
that could be our patreon content

1421
00:58:24,109 --> 00:58:22,020
um

1422
00:58:26,329 --> 00:58:24,119
I'll watch at any time it's one of my

1423
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:26,339
favorites yeah Linda Bolton Howe also

1424
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:27,839
noteworthy just interviewed Marina

1425
00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:29,280
sarand

1426
00:58:34,910 --> 00:58:32,940
um not for Earth files but for like Gaia

1427
00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:34,920
or something like that like one of those

1428
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,000
channels that does content for why

1429
00:58:43,849 --> 00:58:41,280
I don't know man who wants to hear what

1430
00:58:47,569 --> 00:58:43,859
she has to say

1431
00:58:50,690 --> 00:58:47,579
both sides man free speech right yeah

1432
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:50,700
yes who cares

1433
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,440
um yeah she's still doing her thing it's

1434
00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:54,480
funny too because like Earth files is

1435
00:58:58,130 --> 00:58:56,040
one of those things like I'll turn it on

1436
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,140
like at night time or just when I'm kind

1437
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,240
of fussing around because

1438
00:59:05,569 --> 00:59:03,359
somehow despite this subjective

1439
00:59:07,730 --> 00:59:05,579
differences episode to episode every

1440
00:59:10,970 --> 00:59:07,740
episode sounds the exact same it's just

1441
00:59:12,890 --> 00:59:10,980
this kind of gentle New Age hum uh in

1442
00:59:15,230 --> 00:59:12,900
the background while I you know do my

1443
00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:15,240
Tarot deck and cleanse my chakras and

1444
00:59:18,109 --> 00:59:17,400
ship before getting in bed

1445
00:59:19,970 --> 00:59:18,119
um

1446
00:59:21,530 --> 00:59:19,980
oh by the way she's still at it man

1447
00:59:23,329 --> 00:59:21,540
she's been begging that job for like

1448
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,339
what 40 years now

1449
00:59:26,930 --> 00:59:24,960
mm-hmm

1450
00:59:29,930 --> 00:59:26,940
she um actually came to the conclusion

1451
00:59:31,370 --> 00:59:29,940
opposite of valdez's so Valdez

1452
00:59:33,710 --> 00:59:31,380
thought that the government was like

1453
00:59:37,549 --> 00:59:33,720
faking UFOs

1454
00:59:40,190 --> 00:59:37,559
um and like that the aliens were

1455
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:40,200
uh kidnapping cattle but it was actually

1456
00:59:45,289 --> 00:59:42,960
the government doing that whereas Linda

1457
00:59:48,530 --> 00:59:45,299
Moulton Howe said that it was actually

1458
00:59:49,970 --> 00:59:48,540
the aliens faking faking the government

1459
00:59:52,250 --> 00:59:49,980
yeah

1460
00:59:55,490 --> 00:59:52,260
leaving equipment around

1461
00:59:56,650 --> 00:59:55,500
like gas masks and whatnot and to make

1462
01:00:00,049 --> 00:59:56,660
people think it was the government

1463
01:00:02,990 --> 01:00:00,059
where'd they get the game

1464
01:00:05,450 --> 01:00:03,000
that's super Advanced beings yeah

1465
01:00:10,030 --> 01:00:05,460
there's manifest in them Jesus come on

1466
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:16,970
that's wild

1467
01:00:21,650 --> 01:00:19,250
that's the benefit story right did we

1468
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:21,660
leave anything else yeah so I mean

1469
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,799
what's the end of the story here

1470
01:00:26,890 --> 01:00:24,240
benowitz

1471
01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:26,900
um winds up hospitalized yeah right

1472
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,400
institutionalized in and out a couple of

1473
01:00:34,190 --> 01:00:31,200
times maybe

1474
01:00:36,770 --> 01:00:34,200
um and uh

1475
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,780
I don't remember if you tried self-harm

1476
01:00:41,150 --> 01:00:38,880
but he was like you know he was right on

1477
01:00:42,589 --> 01:00:41,160
the edge yeah but anyway

1478
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,599
um I think he was returned back to his

1479
01:00:46,370 --> 01:00:44,160
family home

1480
01:00:50,329 --> 01:00:46,380
and um he didn't really go back into the

1481
01:00:53,089 --> 01:00:50,339
UFO stuff anymore yeah it's just he

1482
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:53,099
could say Dodie did his job well that's

1483
01:01:01,309 --> 01:00:56,240
what he says he did he did his job

1484
01:01:01,319 --> 01:01:09,910
foreign

1485
01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:12,410
yeah even now like back to that Twitter

1486
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:14,460
space he kind of said that he was also

1487
01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:18,000
um implying that benowitz was kind of

1488
01:01:23,089 --> 01:01:21,000
mentally unwell the entire time and uh

1489
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:23,099
he didn't really have that great of an

1490
01:01:25,970 --> 01:01:24,720
influence on it and he was a paranoid

1491
01:01:29,809 --> 01:01:25,980
person

1492
01:01:33,289 --> 01:01:29,819
but again any anything out of Dodie's

1493
01:01:35,450 --> 01:01:33,299
mouth I don't recommend uh trusting so

1494
01:01:36,589 --> 01:01:35,460
but even if that's true like it doesn't

1495
01:01:38,750 --> 01:01:36,599
excuse

1496
01:01:41,569 --> 01:01:38,760
um doing that to somebody sure like

1497
01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:41,579
stirring them up even further great so

1498
01:01:45,950 --> 01:01:44,339
he's still doing his job yeah right and

1499
01:01:48,589 --> 01:01:45,960
that's like look this is an issue we

1500
01:01:50,510 --> 01:01:48,599
hear come up even now in ufology and in

1501
01:01:52,849 --> 01:01:50,520
this community is that there are

1502
01:01:53,930 --> 01:01:52,859
vulnerable people who've exhibited you

1503
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:53,940
know

1504
01:01:59,390 --> 01:01:56,160
um mental instability severe mental

1505
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,400
illness etc etc that are sort of covered

1506
01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:01,440
by the community

1507
01:02:07,490 --> 01:02:03,660
um in many respects

1508
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:07,500
um or encouraged to sort of indulge uh

1509
01:02:13,250 --> 01:02:09,119
these

1510
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:13,260
uh I would say aberrant thought patterns

1511
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,160
um

1512
01:02:23,569 --> 01:02:16,319
yeah so I mean you know we see this

1513
01:02:29,809 --> 01:02:25,210
yeah

1514
01:02:31,849 --> 01:02:29,819
and Dodie I mean he was he was

1515
01:02:33,770 --> 01:02:31,859
away from the community for a while but

1516
01:02:36,349 --> 01:02:33,780
like he said like came came back in

1517
01:02:39,770 --> 01:02:36,359
swinging this summer in that uh in that

1518
01:02:41,329 --> 01:02:39,780
Twitter space that was odd

1519
01:02:45,049 --> 01:02:41,339
I'm not really sure what the purpose of

1520
01:02:47,809 --> 01:02:45,059
that was now I I also remember

1521
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:47,819
um him talking about ebes in in that

1522
01:02:53,210 --> 01:02:50,880
Twitter space and it reminds me I don't

1523
01:02:55,130 --> 01:02:53,220
know how familiar two are with serpo but

1524
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:55,140
I've I've heard that uh

1525
01:03:05,750 --> 01:02:57,119
he is related to that in some way or

1526
01:03:09,710 --> 01:03:07,789
extraterrestrial biological entity and I

1527
01:03:11,390 --> 01:03:09,720
remember this all making the rounds on

1528
01:03:13,010 --> 01:03:11,400
Coast to Coast AM

1529
01:03:15,170 --> 01:03:13,020
um and then there's there's that graphic

1530
01:03:18,890 --> 01:03:15,180
novel too the serpo graphic novel which

1531
01:03:22,010 --> 01:03:18,900
I haven't read me either copy of it yeah

1532
01:03:24,049 --> 01:03:22,020
yeah it's awesome yeah is it good yeah

1533
01:03:28,010 --> 01:03:24,059
yeah it's beautiful

1534
01:03:33,049 --> 01:03:30,170
it's unbelievable it's total nonsense

1535
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,059
but um it's very beautifully Illustrated

1536
01:03:37,730 --> 01:03:35,280
and the story is quite nice as well it's

1537
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:37,740
got a nice message I think

1538
01:03:44,329 --> 01:03:42,000
even though it's got a salary yeah yeah

1539
01:03:45,950 --> 01:03:44,339
that's nice I didn't know that that's

1540
01:03:48,109 --> 01:03:45,960
cute

1541
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:48,119
Nick is taking a uh

1542
01:03:51,710 --> 01:03:50,640
some kind of a break yeah say potty

1543
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:51,720
break

1544
01:03:57,049 --> 01:03:54,240
yes Simon Just chimes in with Dodie as

1545
01:04:00,770 --> 01:03:57,059
probably skint which I think is uh

1546
01:04:02,450 --> 01:04:00,780
but is that being broke poor no money

1547
01:04:04,609 --> 01:04:02,460
um

1548
01:04:06,049 --> 01:04:04,619
from Luda Dodie was part serpo and is

1549
01:04:08,990 --> 01:04:06,059
believed to be the author of it it was

1550
01:04:11,030 --> 01:04:09,000
the document he showed Linda right

1551
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:11,040
um yeah like he that's the other thing

1552
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:12,240
we didn't really talk about this with

1553
01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:13,920
Linda Moulton Howe but in addition to

1554
01:04:18,770 --> 01:04:15,960
like all of her contentions around

1555
01:04:20,089 --> 01:04:18,780
cattle mutilation etc etc is like my

1556
01:04:22,370 --> 01:04:20,099
understanding is she's pretty well known

1557
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:22,380
for also being this sort of

1558
01:04:27,049 --> 01:04:24,839
um landing and dissemination individual

1559
01:04:29,870 --> 01:04:27,059
for misinformation and disinformation

1560
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:29,880
like anything uh to be disseminated out

1561
01:04:33,950 --> 01:04:31,440
to the community

1562
01:04:36,049 --> 01:04:33,960
you see that very clearly actually in

1563
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,059
her latest offerings in um Alan

1564
01:04:40,849 --> 01:04:38,400
steinfeld's book making contact

1565
01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:40,859
I keep telling everyone to read Linda

1566
01:04:45,470 --> 01:04:43,140
Moulton hell's chapter in that book it's

1567
01:04:48,589 --> 01:04:45,480
completely insane she claims that she

1568
01:04:50,329 --> 01:04:48,599
was being told by like Dia insiders that

1569
01:04:52,670 --> 01:04:50,339
there's a hollow Earth and that there

1570
01:04:56,890 --> 01:04:52,680
are three species of aliens living

1571
01:04:59,569 --> 01:04:56,900
underneath this sounds like real right

1572
01:05:02,089 --> 01:04:59,579
well she talked about Nazi flying sauces

1573
01:05:04,430 --> 01:05:02,099
in Antarctica she literally talks about

1574
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:04,440
Brill I think as well and like energy

1575
01:05:09,250 --> 01:05:06,720
forces and stuff like that

1576
01:05:14,030 --> 01:05:09,260
the pyramids were like energy

1577
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:14,040
concentration machines to power slaves

1578
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:15,839
it's just completely

1579
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:18,480
out of control it's incredible I feel

1580
01:05:23,870 --> 01:05:20,880
like I'm increasingly building this

1581
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:23,880
notion that like ufology and these ideas

1582
01:05:27,950 --> 01:05:25,920
are almost like an augmented reality

1583
01:05:29,809 --> 01:05:27,960
game that you overlay onto like daily

1584
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:29,819
life to make it much more interesting

1585
01:05:33,230 --> 01:05:31,680
you know especially when we're talking

1586
01:05:34,849 --> 01:05:33,240
about this kind of stuff this notion of

1587
01:05:37,130 --> 01:05:34,859
like the pure music Giza is basically

1588
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:37,140
being giant organ by accumulators or

1589
01:05:42,349 --> 01:05:39,119
whatever to charge up the slaves to make

1590
01:05:44,450 --> 01:05:42,359
our medalists or whatever like this is

1591
01:05:45,230 --> 01:05:44,460
like a composer like standard these are

1592
01:05:47,089 --> 01:05:45,240
like

1593
01:05:48,650 --> 01:05:47,099
two or three standard deviations away

1594
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:48,660
from what I think of as a kind of just

1595
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:51,839
boilerplate weird ufology stuff

1596
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:53,280
um but yeah Linda's been making a living

1597
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:56,160
off this ship forever I also dude I love

1598
01:06:00,829 --> 01:05:57,839
that she sells

1599
01:06:03,710 --> 01:06:00,839
um strange Harvest for like 40 bucks and

1600
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:03,720
you get like a burned CD in like a

1601
01:06:12,410 --> 01:06:11,030
refined her business model

1602
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:12,420
you know I've never actually seen that

1603
01:06:16,430 --> 01:06:14,160
do you have a copy

1604
01:06:18,349 --> 01:06:16,440
I don't unfortunately

1605
01:06:20,270 --> 01:06:18,359
um you know you know the reason I even

1606
01:06:24,049 --> 01:06:20,280
know about any of this is because

1607
01:06:25,789 --> 01:06:24,059
uh I caught Lou Jimenez uh on cambian

1608
01:06:29,089 --> 01:06:25,799
show a couple weeks ago and he was

1609
01:06:30,109 --> 01:06:29,099
talking about buying that buying a copy

1610
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:30,119
of it

1611
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:31,680
um and he said it's actually a really

1612
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:33,119
good documentary like it's really well

1613
01:06:37,370 --> 01:06:35,460
produced it's really well done

1614
01:06:38,690 --> 01:06:37,380
um we should do a group watch of it at

1615
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:38,700
some point oh yeah I'm down to watch

1616
01:06:42,049 --> 01:06:40,799
that we have a lot of plans to do group

1617
01:06:44,690 --> 01:06:42,059
watches of things I feel like it never

1618
01:06:47,089 --> 01:06:44,700
happens we should do it yeah we should

1619
01:06:48,829 --> 01:06:47,099
like really do it like I'm not now that

1620
01:06:50,690 --> 01:06:48,839
I'm I'm solely re-entering I'm leaving

1621
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,700
the land of degenerate unemployment and

1622
01:06:54,890 --> 01:06:52,799
like re-entering the you know money

1623
01:06:56,450 --> 01:06:54,900
money to class I'm like oh I have to

1624
01:06:58,910 --> 01:06:56,460
make sure that I'm optimizing my time

1625
01:07:00,589 --> 01:06:58,920
off so uh watching UFO documentaries

1626
01:07:02,690 --> 01:07:00,599
with weirdos from the internet seems

1627
01:07:05,210 --> 01:07:02,700
like a good way to do that you're also

1628
01:07:06,650 --> 01:07:05,220
working in a new article aren't you

1629
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:06,660
yeah so I'm working on a few different

1630
01:07:10,250 --> 01:07:07,680
things

1631
01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:10,260
um yeah it I

1632
01:07:14,750 --> 01:07:12,839
so I've been super fascinated by

1633
01:07:16,609 --> 01:07:14,760
experiencers and experience or

1634
01:07:18,049 --> 01:07:16,619
Recollections sort of this what I see is

1635
01:07:20,329 --> 01:07:18,059
this kind of critical need to do

1636
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,339
ethnographic like research and listening

1637
01:07:23,150 --> 01:07:22,559
with experiencers yeah

1638
01:07:25,849 --> 01:07:23,160
um

1639
01:07:29,329 --> 01:07:25,859
which has sort of brought me around to

1640
01:07:31,329 --> 01:07:29,339
this idea of

1641
01:07:34,370 --> 01:07:31,339
um

1642
01:07:36,589 --> 01:07:34,380
UFOs in the popular imagination right

1643
01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:36,599
because what I think tends to happen

1644
01:07:41,630 --> 01:07:38,460
with any just like with any kind of

1645
01:07:43,789 --> 01:07:41,640
Arcane subject is I don't have a very

1646
01:07:48,529 --> 01:07:43,799
good sense of what people who are not

1647
01:07:50,270 --> 01:07:48,539
UFO people know about UFOs right and I

1648
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:50,280
say this because like when I talk to my

1649
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:51,839
parents after I came back from the New

1650
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:54,240
York City Symposium they thought I was

1651
01:07:58,010 --> 01:07:56,400
at like a comic convention or Like a

1652
01:07:59,450 --> 01:07:58,020
Star Trek convention or something and

1653
01:08:01,250 --> 01:07:59,460
then I had to be like no like I just

1654
01:08:03,410 --> 01:08:01,260
listened to like a bunch of I just

1655
01:08:07,930 --> 01:08:03,420
listen to like a professor at Stanford

1656
01:08:10,130 --> 01:08:07,940
talk about you know the cottage potato

1657
01:08:12,190 --> 01:08:10,140
whatever the that thing in your

1658
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:12,200
brain that yeah

1659
01:08:17,930 --> 01:08:16,080
yeah and

1660
01:08:21,229 --> 01:08:17,940
um I I put out a call for this like

1661
01:08:23,630 --> 01:08:21,239
long-form interviews with people about

1662
01:08:26,209 --> 01:08:23,640
um what they know about ufology what

1663
01:08:29,150 --> 01:08:26,219
their perception is of the subject I'm

1664
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:29,160
particularly interested in like

1665
01:08:34,130 --> 01:08:31,920
when people talk about ufology like what

1666
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:34,140
are the sort of associated disciplines

1667
01:08:37,610 --> 01:08:35,759
that they're also referencing because

1668
01:08:39,169 --> 01:08:37,620
it's almost never just straight flying

1669
01:08:40,910 --> 01:08:39,179
saucers there's usually kind of a

1670
01:08:42,349 --> 01:08:40,920
constellation of additional subjects

1671
01:08:44,809 --> 01:08:42,359
that they consider kind of falling

1672
01:08:47,450 --> 01:08:44,819
broadly into the subject

1673
01:08:50,689 --> 01:08:47,460
um but also like as I've been speaking

1674
01:08:52,490 --> 01:08:50,699
to more and more experiencers I'm super

1675
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:52,500
fascinated

1676
01:08:55,849 --> 01:08:53,520
um

1677
01:08:58,249 --> 01:08:55,859
by this question of how people put two

1678
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:58,259
and two together like when people have

1679
01:09:02,090 --> 01:08:59,520
an experience how do they make the

1680
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,100
connection to it being a UFO or

1681
01:09:07,550 --> 01:09:04,080
extraterrestrial like what's the leap

1682
01:09:09,530 --> 01:09:07,560
right um that's a good thing and yeah

1683
01:09:11,209 --> 01:09:09,540
and some people like like I've gotten

1684
01:09:13,130 --> 01:09:11,219
kind of a variety of answers like some

1685
01:09:16,669 --> 01:09:13,140
of it is just like I don't know I just

1686
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,679
knew which fine whatever some people

1687
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:18,480
it's like literally media informed like

1688
01:09:21,470 --> 01:09:19,920
you know I didn't put two and two

1689
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:21,480
together but then I watched The X-Files

1690
01:09:25,010 --> 01:09:23,520
when I was like 17 or 18 and I was like

1691
01:09:27,709 --> 01:09:25,020
oh I think this is kind of like what

1692
01:09:30,530 --> 01:09:27,719
happened to me and this provides me like

1693
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:30,540
a usable framework to understand

1694
01:09:39,470 --> 01:09:36,229
but um that narrative has existed in the

1695
01:09:43,370 --> 01:09:39,480
media since nearly the beginning so I I

1696
01:09:45,410 --> 01:09:43,380
can see that like even even casual

1697
01:09:47,329 --> 01:09:45,420
interests or people not interested but

1698
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:47,339
like pick it up in passing I'm sure a

1699
01:09:51,650 --> 01:09:49,679
UFO special aired or like

1700
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:51,660
you know before the X-Files there was

1701
01:09:56,090 --> 01:09:53,759
Unsolved Mysteries and sightings and

1702
01:09:59,410 --> 01:09:56,100
before that I mean Twin Peaks there's

1703
01:10:03,050 --> 01:09:59,420
project UFO back in the day that did uh

1704
01:10:04,910 --> 01:10:03,060
reenactments of famous UFO cases like

1705
01:10:07,070 --> 01:10:04,920
it's existed in the media for a while

1706
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:07,080
you hear a lot of people saying like oh

1707
01:10:11,330 --> 01:10:09,600
on the modern times this disclosure

1708
01:10:13,310 --> 01:10:11,340
movement is lifting the stigma and it's

1709
01:10:15,530 --> 01:10:13,320
the The Narrative is becoming mainstream

1710
01:10:18,110 --> 01:10:15,540
and stuff like that but man it it has

1711
01:10:20,209 --> 01:10:18,120
been I was born in 83 it has been my

1712
01:10:21,229 --> 01:10:20,219
entire life it's always been there I

1713
01:10:24,410 --> 01:10:21,239
mean that's that's what got me

1714
01:10:26,450 --> 01:10:24,420
interested as a kid was seeing all this

1715
01:10:29,390 --> 01:10:26,460
stuff on TV I mean that's where I

1716
01:10:31,729 --> 01:10:29,400
learned UFO equals Flying Saucer equals

1717
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:31,739
you know alien in a little vehicle

1718
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:35,040
so yeah I it's got to play at least a

1719
01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:38,159
huge part of it but I I wonder

1720
01:10:42,050 --> 01:10:40,380
um people what people would say outside

1721
01:10:45,050 --> 01:10:42,060
of the states

1722
01:10:46,130 --> 01:10:45,060
you know do they have that kind of that

1723
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:46,140
link

1724
01:10:50,990 --> 01:10:48,239
so ingrained

1725
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:51,000
I don't know in Australia

1726
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:53,040
we do um

1727
01:10:56,770 --> 01:10:55,199
I used to watch The X-Files and all that

1728
01:10:59,450 --> 01:10:56,780
stuff in the 90s

1729
01:11:01,550 --> 01:10:59,460
very much a lot of a ton of UFO

1730
01:11:04,490 --> 01:11:01,560
documentaries back then as well

1731
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,410
yeah I don't know like I can't really

1732
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:08,400
speak to

1733
01:11:12,590 --> 01:11:10,560
the seven the 70s because I was born in

1734
01:11:15,050 --> 01:11:12,600
the 80s but um

1735
01:11:17,090 --> 01:11:15,060
yeah I mean Australia's very similar to

1736
01:11:18,050 --> 01:11:17,100
the US culturally

1737
01:11:20,750 --> 01:11:18,060
um

1738
01:11:23,689 --> 01:11:20,760
sure I'm interested in what about like

1739
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:23,699
countries like um I know that countries

1740
01:11:28,729 --> 01:11:25,760
in South America there's a lot of UFO

1741
01:11:31,250 --> 01:11:28,739
culture as well yep like in Australia

1742
01:11:33,410 --> 01:11:31,260
and Argentina and Brazil

1743
01:11:36,110 --> 01:11:33,420
I think Brazil as having a huge

1744
01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:36,120
ecological preoccupation actually we

1745
01:11:38,990 --> 01:11:37,500
just I mean I was

1746
01:11:40,370 --> 01:11:39,000
staring earlier that there were some

1747
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:40,380
sightings yesterday that were being

1748
01:11:44,450 --> 01:11:42,239
reported in Brazil and of course James

1749
01:11:45,950 --> 01:11:44,460
Fox's latest documentary also about

1750
01:11:48,050 --> 01:11:45,960
Brazil

1751
01:11:49,490 --> 01:11:48,060
he had those sightings earlier uh that

1752
01:11:50,810 --> 01:11:49,500
was a couple from a couple Airlines

1753
01:11:52,729 --> 01:11:50,820
wasn't it

1754
01:11:55,310 --> 01:11:52,739
um I just kind of imported yesterday

1755
01:11:56,990 --> 01:11:55,320
yeah I just saw it like like maybe an

1756
01:11:58,430 --> 01:11:57,000
hour before the live stream

1757
01:12:00,250 --> 01:11:58,440
um yeah one of my friends tagged me on

1758
01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:00,260
Twitter

1759
01:12:05,870 --> 01:12:02,000
like

1760
01:12:08,030 --> 01:12:05,880
current UFO sightings are

1761
01:12:09,770 --> 01:12:08,040
I I feel maybe I'm just not seeing them

1762
01:12:12,830 --> 01:12:09,780
very often I mean there was this and

1763
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:12,840
then there was the um that one that uh

1764
01:12:19,250 --> 01:12:16,560
Ben Hansen was uh pedaling which is very

1765
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:19,260
similar more more uh Pilots

1766
01:12:22,970 --> 01:12:20,880
pilot sightings but like it's

1767
01:12:24,530 --> 01:12:22,980
interesting I want more UFO sightings to

1768
01:12:26,990 --> 01:12:24,540
actually look into

1769
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:27,000
so I'm gonna take a deeper look at that

1770
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:30,480
maybe tomorrow anyways uh and maybe this

1771
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:31,679
is

1772
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:34,080
a lazy assessment but I always think two

1773
01:12:37,250 --> 01:12:35,760
of like a lot of these events out of

1774
01:12:38,990 --> 01:12:37,260
South America and Brazil is being more

1775
01:12:41,149 --> 01:12:39,000
Sinister in nature I think that might be

1776
01:12:43,310 --> 01:12:41,159
primarily shoots by Jacques valet right

1777
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:43,320
like his writings on some of the events

1778
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:45,360
uh in South America leading to like

1779
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:48,239
actual injury or harm or whatever

1780
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:51,360
um I think in a few cases death yes yeah

1781
01:12:58,490 --> 01:12:55,440
yeah he investigated the caloris case in

1782
01:13:02,450 --> 01:12:58,500
Brazil where supposedly UFOs were like

1783
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:02,460
firing lasers or energy beams at people

1784
01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:05,520
um he also um and colavita's got a good

1785
01:13:08,930 --> 01:13:07,800
article about this but um valet claims

1786
01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:08,940
that

1787
01:13:15,290 --> 01:13:11,880
the CIA actually

1788
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:15,300
um orchestrated some abductions in Latin

1789
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:18,239
America during the 70s or 80s and they

1790
01:13:23,390 --> 01:13:21,600
passed them off as alien hmm it's

1791
01:13:25,729 --> 01:13:23,400
actually like a CIA psychological

1792
01:13:27,470 --> 01:13:25,739
operation but like he doesn't show any

1793
01:13:29,149 --> 01:13:27,480
proof he says that he's got like a bunch

1794
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:29,159
of classified documents that he's going

1795
01:13:35,470 --> 01:13:31,520
to release after his death sure

1796
01:13:40,189 --> 01:13:38,030
you know it's it's funny because I read

1797
01:13:42,590 --> 01:13:40,199
I read the first

1798
01:13:43,330 --> 01:13:42,600
secret machines book

1799
01:13:46,370 --> 01:13:43,340
um

1800
01:13:49,010 --> 01:13:46,380
the fiction one I read the first fiction

1801
01:13:51,890 --> 01:13:49,020
one this summer and I remember thinking

1802
01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:51,900
wow this is like a Pastiche of every

1803
01:13:55,610 --> 01:13:54,060
single conspiracy theory I've heard of

1804
01:13:57,649 --> 01:13:55,620
ever like being kind of woven together

1805
01:13:59,149 --> 01:13:57,659
and to be clear dude that book was fun

1806
01:14:00,169 --> 01:13:59,159
as hell to read like I blew through it

1807
01:14:02,330 --> 01:14:00,179
in like two days it was really

1808
01:14:04,010 --> 01:14:02,340
entertaining it was totally fine but

1809
01:14:05,330 --> 01:14:04,020
like that was the one thing I came

1810
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:05,340
across where they talk about like

1811
01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:07,260
basically abductions being orchestrated

1812
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:09,900
on stage same processes

1813
01:14:13,850 --> 01:14:12,239
um like with people like dressed as

1814
01:14:16,370 --> 01:14:13,860
aliens but actually very much

1815
01:14:18,649 --> 01:14:16,380
terrestrial behavior of capturing and

1816
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:18,659
experimenting on people that was my

1817
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:20,880
first time encountering that oh that was

1818
01:14:25,370 --> 01:14:22,320
another secret machines yeah I'd never

1819
01:14:28,910 --> 01:14:25,380
heard that before X-Files except the one

1820
01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:28,920
by uh De Long yeah it's the long and AJ

1821
01:14:33,530 --> 01:14:31,320
hardly and then lavender wrote the

1822
01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:33,540
non-fiction counterparts

1823
01:14:38,689 --> 01:14:35,600
um

1824
01:14:40,850 --> 01:14:38,699
I read the first non-fiction in the

1825
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:40,860
first fiction and I have volume two but

1826
01:14:43,130 --> 01:14:42,239
I haven't started them yet they're in my

1827
01:14:46,430 --> 01:14:43,140
room

1828
01:14:47,810 --> 01:14:46,440
yeah and just a bit more on valet

1829
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:47,820
um just quickly

1830
01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:50,159
um hea makes a big deal about microwave

1831
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:52,320
radiation as like a

1832
01:14:58,610 --> 01:14:54,960
way of manipulating perception

1833
01:15:01,070 --> 01:14:58,620
so he hypothesizes that um the CIA was

1834
01:15:02,930 --> 01:15:01,080
using like microwave emitters to

1835
01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:02,940
you know manipulate people's

1836
01:15:06,890 --> 01:15:04,140
consciousness

1837
01:15:08,810 --> 01:15:06,900
and he also uses that as like a possible

1838
01:15:11,450 --> 01:15:08,820
mechanism for the inter-dimensional

1839
01:15:13,970 --> 01:15:11,460
beings to make people think that we're

1840
01:15:15,410 --> 01:15:13,980
being visited by aliens so he's sort of

1841
01:15:17,450 --> 01:15:15,420
you know

1842
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:17,460
um collapses all this together and

1843
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:20,159
together as this mechanism of microwave

1844
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:21,360
radiation

1845
01:15:26,090 --> 01:15:23,760
no no what's he what's he getting at

1846
01:15:27,649 --> 01:15:26,100
from microwaves uh like

1847
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:27,659
affecting people

1848
01:15:38,090 --> 01:15:35,750
um hallucinations and experiences by

1849
01:15:40,850 --> 01:15:38,100
emitting microwave radiation at people's

1850
01:15:44,530 --> 01:15:40,860
brains it sounds like uh sounds like

1851
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:46,610
just just real quick I want to address

1852
01:15:49,790 --> 01:15:48,000
the comment I have on the screen here

1853
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,800
also had the posadas and Latin America

1854
01:15:52,970 --> 01:15:51,600
they were pretty wild yeah if you're

1855
01:15:55,310 --> 01:15:52,980
interested in this there's this amazing

1856
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:55,320
book called I want to believe posadas

1857
01:16:00,169 --> 01:15:57,840
and UFOs and apocalypse communism it

1858
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:00,179
came out yeah like I think two years ago

1859
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:03,360
and it's all about the posadas and their

1860
01:16:07,130 --> 01:16:05,760
ufological obsessions

1861
01:16:09,649 --> 01:16:07,140
yeah

1862
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:09,659
there were a trotskist sect right

1863
01:16:13,729 --> 01:16:11,040
yes

1864
01:16:19,570 --> 01:16:15,890
they were one of the few communist um

1865
01:16:22,970 --> 01:16:19,580
groups pushing UFOs

1866
01:16:24,890 --> 01:16:22,980
kind of left-leaning hippie type um

1867
01:16:26,810 --> 01:16:24,900
groups but they were not overtly

1868
01:16:30,350 --> 01:16:26,820
communist but these guys were

1869
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:30,360
okay yes yeah they were definitely super

1870
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,880
communist Trotsky Gates

1871
01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:34,560
um yeah but then also had this like kind

1872
01:16:39,649 --> 01:16:37,020
of paranormal UFO event it's kind of

1873
01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:39,659
interesting you gotta make it fun

1874
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:42,000
yeah man

1875
01:16:50,090 --> 01:16:48,110
at least you gotta uh you got anything

1876
01:16:52,010 --> 01:16:50,100
going on

1877
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:52,020
well I'm actually reading a lot about

1878
01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:53,520
the origin of life

1879
01:16:59,450 --> 01:16:56,760
I've been reading Lane's books okay I'll

1880
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:59,460
do like um future episode maybe after

1881
01:17:04,189 --> 01:17:01,679
next week

1882
01:17:06,050 --> 01:17:04,199
um we could talk more about astrobiology

1883
01:17:07,850 --> 01:17:06,060
and the origin of life

1884
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:07,860
cool but it's like super interesting

1885
01:17:10,490 --> 01:17:09,360
stuff that he writes

1886
01:17:12,110 --> 01:17:10,500
um

1887
01:17:15,290 --> 01:17:12,120
his books are

1888
01:17:16,430 --> 01:17:15,300
the vital question and um the one that I

1889
01:17:17,930 --> 01:17:16,440
finished just recently is called

1890
01:17:20,450 --> 01:17:17,940
Transformer

1891
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:20,460
wait that's the new one what did you

1892
01:17:25,370 --> 01:17:23,040
think of that yeah oh it's excellent

1893
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:25,380
but it's so complex like you're not

1894
01:17:28,970 --> 01:17:27,120
gonna get it the first time I promise

1895
01:17:30,649 --> 01:17:28,980
but um

1896
01:17:32,570 --> 01:17:30,659
he talks about the evolution of the

1897
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:32,580
Krebs cycle which is this metabolic

1898
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:33,840
pathway

1899
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:35,040
um it's really like at the heart of

1900
01:17:38,330 --> 01:17:36,719
metabolism but he talks about how it

1901
01:17:40,610 --> 01:17:38,340
could have originated

1902
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:40,620
how it can like go backwards on under

1903
01:17:46,490 --> 01:17:43,920
certain conditions and um different

1904
01:17:48,649 --> 01:17:46,500
organisms use it differently

1905
01:17:51,290 --> 01:17:48,659
um but you know

1906
01:17:53,570 --> 01:17:51,300
he um is very much about bioenergetics

1907
01:17:56,030 --> 01:17:53,580
and metabolic systems more than genes

1908
01:17:58,189 --> 01:17:56,040
and he basically makes the point that

1909
01:17:59,330 --> 01:17:58,199
biology has become too obsessed with

1910
01:18:02,350 --> 01:17:59,340
information

1911
01:18:05,330 --> 01:18:02,360
and not enough with metabolic systems

1912
01:18:07,970 --> 01:18:05,340
interesting he's trying to correct that

1913
01:18:11,390 --> 01:18:07,980
this um this I I caught an interview

1914
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:11,400
with Bobby as azarian uh the romance of

1915
01:18:15,050 --> 01:18:13,199
reality that just came out well came out

1916
01:18:16,970 --> 01:18:15,060
like earlier this year there was an

1917
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:16,980
interview with him on mind escape and he

1918
01:18:21,290 --> 01:18:18,960
talks a lot about this about energetic

1919
01:18:23,390 --> 01:18:21,300
systems basically leading to the

1920
01:18:26,330 --> 01:18:23,400
evolution of life I think David Deutsch

1921
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:26,340
talks about some of this stuff as well

1922
01:18:31,010 --> 01:18:27,600
um so it's kind of cool to hear those

1923
01:18:32,330 --> 01:18:31,020
conversations moving forward

1924
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:32,340
um because I think at the heart of its

1925
01:18:35,330 --> 01:18:33,840
complexity science which is super

1926
01:18:36,830 --> 01:18:35,340
fascinating

1927
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:36,840
yes

1928
01:18:42,649 --> 01:18:40,560
but it's got a lot of implications for

1929
01:18:44,450 --> 01:18:42,659
um like the conditions we would find

1930
01:18:46,490 --> 01:18:44,460
excuse me

1931
01:18:49,490 --> 01:18:46,500
um extraterrestrial life

1932
01:18:52,490 --> 01:18:49,500
so you know we could find it possibly on

1933
01:18:55,130 --> 01:18:52,500
in places like uh Europa and and celerus

1934
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:55,140
these are ice moons in the solar system

1935
01:19:00,350 --> 01:18:57,840
right like you've got layer of ice and

1936
01:19:02,030 --> 01:19:00,360
then an ocean underneath and if you have

1937
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:02,040
these hydrothermal vents that he talks

1938
01:19:06,110 --> 01:19:04,080
about you might have um

1939
01:19:09,229 --> 01:19:06,120
metabolic systems evolving and then

1940
01:19:11,090 --> 01:19:09,239
proper life per se so interesting thing

1941
01:19:13,689 --> 01:19:11,100
to consider is that maybe those ice

1942
01:19:15,709 --> 01:19:13,699
worlds are actually the most um common

1943
01:19:18,050 --> 01:19:15,719
incubators of life in the universe

1944
01:19:19,729 --> 01:19:18,060
instead of our type of

1945
01:19:22,250 --> 01:19:19,739
planet

1946
01:19:23,930 --> 01:19:22,260
but anyway if you have those meta if you

1947
01:19:26,270 --> 01:19:23,940
have those um sorts of conditions you

1948
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:26,280
could probably get life pretty easily

1949
01:19:30,770 --> 01:19:28,560
but he does claim that there are certain

1950
01:19:32,689 --> 01:19:30,780
constraints that you can't just

1951
01:19:34,610 --> 01:19:32,699
it's not just about having liquid water

1952
01:19:36,410 --> 01:19:34,620
right you also need these other things

1953
01:19:39,050 --> 01:19:36,420
going on like

1954
01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:39,060
um separation of alkaline and acidic

1955
01:19:42,770 --> 01:19:41,520
water and then that facilitates like

1956
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:42,780
electron

1957
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:44,880
transport and all this other stuff which

1958
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:46,800
we associate with metabolism

1959
01:19:50,030 --> 01:19:48,480
and he goes through some of the steps

1960
01:19:52,910 --> 01:19:50,040
involved like how you can get more

1961
01:19:57,410 --> 01:19:52,920
complex uh

1962
01:20:01,850 --> 01:19:59,689
and um

1963
01:20:03,709 --> 01:20:01,860
it's just super fascinating he also

1964
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:03,719
makes the point that um

1965
01:20:08,209 --> 01:20:06,480
probably complex life you know like

1966
01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:08,219
eukaryotic life

1967
01:20:11,090 --> 01:20:08,940
um

1968
01:20:13,070 --> 01:20:11,100
for example animals would probably be

1969
01:20:15,169 --> 01:20:13,080
very rare in the universe

1970
01:20:17,689 --> 01:20:15,179
and that's you know for reasons he goes

1971
01:20:19,550 --> 01:20:17,699
into to do with energetics but um I can

1972
01:20:22,189 --> 01:20:19,560
get more into that when we go to that

1973
01:20:23,810 --> 01:20:22,199
yeah that sounds cool that's super cool

1974
01:20:25,970 --> 01:20:23,820
yeah

1975
01:20:29,570 --> 01:20:25,980
what about you Nick what's going on

1976
01:20:32,090 --> 01:20:29,580
nothing uh I'm slowly still working on

1977
01:20:33,950 --> 01:20:32,100
um my report on Lake Michigan especially

1978
01:20:36,890 --> 01:20:33,960
after the new episode came out

1979
01:20:38,930 --> 01:20:36,900
um and working on more plans to harass

1980
01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:38,940
mufon to release some of those videos so

1981
01:20:43,070 --> 01:20:40,380
I can take a look at them and other

1982
01:20:47,930 --> 01:20:43,080
people can take a look at them excellent

1983
01:20:52,610 --> 01:20:49,729
I'll ask you about invisible residence

1984
01:20:53,689 --> 01:20:52,620
in a second oh I we were um we were kind

1985
01:20:55,970 --> 01:20:53,699
of Shifting over and we're going to

1986
01:20:58,490 --> 01:20:55,980
start uh doing some pre-produced content

1987
01:21:01,010 --> 01:20:58,500
that we're gonna throw up to and I think

1988
01:21:04,430 --> 01:21:01,020
um last time we talked right was talking

1989
01:21:06,110 --> 01:21:04,440
about uh writing something up on zodiac

1990
01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:06,120
that I was going to throw together in a

1991
01:21:10,910 --> 01:21:08,000
video and stuff like that he went um

1992
01:21:13,250 --> 01:21:10,920
apparently there's some some uh some new

1993
01:21:15,890 --> 01:21:13,260
theories involving in this case I'm I'm

1994
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:15,900
not a big zodiac buff so I'm looking

1995
01:21:19,550 --> 01:21:17,520
forward to what he comes up with

1996
01:21:22,010 --> 01:21:19,560
essentially his written material that

1997
01:21:24,770 --> 01:21:22,020
I'm gonna um edit and produce a video on

1998
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:24,780
but that are you True Crime guy like at

1999
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:28,080
all a little bit a little bit like

2000
01:21:31,550 --> 01:21:29,520
uh missing persons are always

2001
01:21:33,470 --> 01:21:31,560
interesting to me more than the actual

2002
01:21:35,689 --> 01:21:33,480
like you know the grizzly True Crime

2003
01:21:38,450 --> 01:21:35,699
stuff but uh

2004
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:38,460
any any type any types of like weirdness

2005
01:21:43,130 --> 01:21:41,040
or mystery I'm pretty into so like

2006
01:21:44,689 --> 01:21:43,140
you know I I don't follow any specific

2007
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:44,699
cases in True Crime or anything like

2008
01:21:50,330 --> 01:21:48,770
what about you Lewis are you a true

2009
01:21:54,770 --> 01:21:50,340
crime guy

2010
01:22:00,649 --> 01:21:58,189
no but um I I do enjoy um some

2011
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:00,659
documentaries on Netflix like um murder

2012
01:22:08,450 --> 01:22:04,560
among the Mormons that's a great one and

2013
01:22:10,189 --> 01:22:08,460
um I think another one I watched

2014
01:22:13,570 --> 01:22:10,199
about there was this great one about

2015
01:22:16,370 --> 01:22:13,580
this um this young man who faked being

2016
01:22:18,890 --> 01:22:16,380
an American Teenager

2017
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:18,900
do you know that one it's super creepy

2018
01:22:22,970 --> 01:22:21,120
like nothing bad happened in the end he

2019
01:22:25,130 --> 01:22:22,980
got exposed and he went to jail for a

2020
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:25,140
bit but he's this guy from France who's

2021
01:22:28,430 --> 01:22:27,120
like all his life he's been doing like

2022
01:22:31,550 --> 01:22:28,440
these sorts of hoaxes and he couldn't

2023
01:22:34,330 --> 01:22:31,560
help himself so he faked being this

2024
01:22:37,850 --> 01:22:34,340
teenager who disappeared

2025
01:22:40,610 --> 01:22:37,860
Arizona Arizona or something and then oh

2026
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:40,620
yes I know about this story but not from

2027
01:22:44,930 --> 01:22:43,199
like the perspective of him but uh the

2028
01:22:46,610 --> 01:22:44,940
story of the missing teenager and then

2029
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:46,620
they thought they thought they had found

2030
01:22:51,770 --> 01:22:50,159
him briefly which who was that it's it's

2031
01:22:54,370 --> 01:22:51,780
all it's pretty vague I think I've heard

2032
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,380
of that one before though really strange

2033
01:23:00,890 --> 01:22:56,880
Brooke reports that season two is also

2034
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,890
seasons is very I don't know I'll just

2035
01:23:09,290 --> 01:23:05,520
keep my mouth shut

2036
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:09,300
yeah that show is like uh it's it's like

2037
01:23:13,850 --> 01:23:12,000
a Lovecraft thing isn't it a little bit

2038
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:13,860
it's got some Cosmic horror elements to

2039
01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:16,080
it okay I can appreciate that they're

2040
01:23:20,930 --> 01:23:18,719
not like really like at the center yeah

2041
01:23:22,729 --> 01:23:20,940
but it does have some existential stuff

2042
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:22,739
about um

2043
01:23:28,970 --> 01:23:26,159
philosophical pessimism and

2044
01:23:30,830 --> 01:23:28,980
um stuff like that

2045
01:23:32,689 --> 01:23:30,840
that sounds yeah I mean man there's so

2046
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,699
much stuff I gotta catch up on watching

2047
01:23:38,270 --> 01:23:35,040
and reading but

2048
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,280
I've always been intrigued

2049
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:40,320
none of the people I reached out to to

2050
01:23:44,510 --> 01:23:42,719
jump on the call have gotten back to me

2051
01:23:46,910 --> 01:23:44,520
I don't have any special guests people

2052
01:23:49,729 --> 01:23:46,920
have lives they're all doing stuff and

2053
01:23:51,290 --> 01:23:49,739
we're just hanging out at 10 30 on an

2054
01:23:54,410 --> 01:23:51,300
internet stream

2055
01:23:55,790 --> 01:23:54,420
um yeah I mean we uh like I I'm gonna go

2056
01:23:58,010 --> 01:23:55,800
ahead and

2057
01:23:59,570 --> 01:23:58,020
plug our upcoming shows though because

2058
01:24:01,610 --> 01:23:59,580
we have some cool stuff coming up right

2059
01:24:03,470 --> 01:24:01,620
so next week

2060
01:24:05,209 --> 01:24:03,480
um Wednesday November 9th we're going to

2061
01:24:08,510 --> 01:24:05,219
be broadcasting at a different time 2

2062
01:24:10,910 --> 01:24:08,520
p.m Eastern 11 A.M Pacific because we'll

2063
01:24:13,729 --> 01:24:10,920
be joined by Dr Massimo teodarani to

2064
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,739
talk through plasma physics UFOs all

2065
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:15,840
that good stuff super excited to have

2066
01:24:19,610 --> 01:24:18,239
him join yeah has to win

2067
01:24:21,649 --> 01:24:19,620
um say that wrong

2068
01:24:24,530 --> 01:24:21,659
no you said it right that's dahlin

2069
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:24,540
whatever what a place in Norway with the

2070
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:27,120
weird lights yeah um yeah so uh Dr

2071
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:28,560
tiazarani is going to be joining us

2072
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:30,719
we'll have Campbell back as well um and

2073
01:24:35,390 --> 01:24:33,600
then the week after which is the 16th

2074
01:24:37,010 --> 01:24:35,400
we'll be joined by rather be squidding

2075
01:24:38,630 --> 01:24:37,020
to talk through

2076
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:38,640
um you know whatever he's working on uh

2077
01:24:41,570 --> 01:24:40,080
whatever we're working on I guess

2078
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:41,580
hopefully by then we'll have a

2079
01:24:45,649 --> 01:24:42,960
government report that we might be able

2080
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:45,659
to discuss Round Table style

2081
01:24:49,790 --> 01:24:47,280
um so yes we have a few good shows

2082
01:24:51,649 --> 01:24:49,800
coming up um certainly if anyone has any

2083
01:24:53,570 --> 01:24:51,659
guests or topic recommendations feel

2084
01:24:57,890 --> 01:24:53,580
free to reach out always love to hear

2085
01:24:58,970 --> 01:24:57,900
from viewers listeners participants Etc

2086
01:25:00,110 --> 01:24:58,980
um and I think we're going to keep

2087
01:25:01,430 --> 01:25:00,120
sticking with this Wednesday evening

2088
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:01,440
time slot

2089
01:25:04,850 --> 01:25:02,719
um yeah

2090
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:04,860
we're not competing with anyone else

2091
01:25:08,330 --> 01:25:06,719
like I don't want to step on any toes

2092
01:25:09,890 --> 01:25:08,340
with like UFO Jane and rather on

2093
01:25:11,090 --> 01:25:09,900
Thursday nights right like you're doing

2094
01:25:12,770 --> 01:25:11,100
your thing Tuesday night it's like

2095
01:25:14,930 --> 01:25:12,780
Wednesday night feels like a nice kind

2096
01:25:17,689 --> 01:25:14,940
of like break in the week good time to

2097
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:17,699
connect and collect and uh

2098
01:25:21,050 --> 01:25:19,199
you know Saturday nights are quickly

2099
01:25:23,630 --> 01:25:21,060
becoming like social nights again after

2100
01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:23,640
two and a half years of covid see for

2101
01:25:28,610 --> 01:25:25,920
yourself they're becoming social for me

2102
01:25:32,410 --> 01:25:28,620
yeah I don't leave the house

2103
01:25:36,169 --> 01:25:34,850
booked rather I wasn't sure if it was

2104
01:25:37,790 --> 01:25:36,179
for sure or not that'll be interesting

2105
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:37,800
and that's back at the normal time right

2106
01:25:43,130 --> 01:25:39,600
Wednesday yeah it'll be back at the

2107
01:25:44,810 --> 01:25:43,140
normal time 9 pm Eastern 6 p.m Pacific

2108
01:25:47,450 --> 01:25:44,820
um we have a request from David here to

2109
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:47,460
bring on Susan Goff man if if she even

2110
01:25:50,450 --> 01:25:49,199
catches whiff of anything you feel

2111
01:25:53,930 --> 01:25:50,460
logical she's not going to want to talk

2112
01:25:56,810 --> 01:25:53,940
to any of us and I don't blame her no

2113
01:25:58,610 --> 01:25:56,820
like that poor woman like I don't know

2114
01:26:00,350 --> 01:25:58,620
maybe maybe I'm showing too much

2115
01:26:02,750 --> 01:26:00,360
Sympathy for the Devil but like I gotta

2116
01:26:05,149 --> 01:26:02,760
say like the sort of collective response

2117
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:05,159
and treatment of her is pretty uh I

2118
01:26:08,330 --> 01:26:06,080
don't know

2119
01:26:10,610 --> 01:26:08,340
I can't talk too much trash she who

2120
01:26:14,030 --> 01:26:10,620
signs my checks

2121
01:26:16,689 --> 01:26:14,040
is she oh I see you're making a joke

2122
01:26:19,970 --> 01:26:16,699
about being an OP yeah I know dude so

2123
01:26:22,669 --> 01:26:19,980
it's all Intel operatives here in The

2124
01:26:24,530 --> 01:26:22,679
Invisible night school cool

2125
01:26:26,270 --> 01:26:24,540
um well look uh is there are there any

2126
01:26:27,890 --> 01:26:26,280
parting words from either of your

2127
01:26:30,110 --> 01:26:27,900
gentlemen

2128
01:26:31,310 --> 01:26:30,120
trust no one

2129
01:26:33,290 --> 01:26:31,320
that's fair

2130
01:26:35,570 --> 01:26:33,300
um

2131
01:26:38,209 --> 01:26:35,580
I don't know what watch season one of

2132
01:26:40,250 --> 01:26:38,219
True Detective you'll love it

2133
01:26:45,050 --> 01:26:40,260
okay

2134
01:26:47,810 --> 01:26:45,060
watch uh UFO live what is it yes watch

2135
01:26:51,709 --> 01:26:47,820
UFO cover-up live yeah beautiful cover

2136
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:51,719
up live so beautiful so good all right

2137
01:26:55,970 --> 01:26:53,280
well gentlemen thank you so much for

2138
01:26:58,490 --> 01:26:55,980
joining listeners audience participants

2139
01:26:59,689 --> 01:26:58,500
Etc so great to have you guys as always

2140
01:27:12,970 --> 01:26:59,699
um and with that I guess we'll wrap up

2141
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:32,890
[Music]

2142
01:27:58,970 --> 01:27:50,850
[Applause]